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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You think Nuland was calling the shots on such an important issue.
    It is hard to believe. At the very least she was playing a very active role. If some of the phone calls, that I read about, are to be believed she appeared to be spearheading the effort and had Biden's ear, who had a direct line to the Obama.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Does Iran have the ability to make up a part of Russia's portion of Natural gas to Europe?
    The POTUSA will be vetoing the Iranian sanction bill, which I support him on .
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    As far as the so called "red line" with Syria, that's an issue that has been way over inflated for political purposes. First of all, it hasn't been proven that Assad ordered the attacks. That's one thing. Next even if we assume that he did, something was done about it. There was an agreement reached where Assad would destroy his chemical weapons. So you can't say he did nothing substantial in response.
    Yep. The "nothing" in response means he didn't use our military on president Assad. And as you mentioned, its far from a given that president Assad's forces even used chemical weapons. Also, with two or three failed attempts to secure a UN resolution for use of force, with the UK backing out, and his failure to secure authorisation from congress, and with 70% of Americans saying no, his only option for using the military was to be a belligerent, and they know this, but then they like belligerents. They loved George Bush for lying about Saddam's WMD's and then telling the UN to support his plan to attack Iraq, or get out of the way.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nonsense, the agreement wasn't reached between the US and Iran. Rather it was the P5+1 group of countries that made the agreement with Iran (Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia, and the United States). Some of those countries Iran respects diplomatically.
    Obama helped lead the effort for the agreement to take place. And if it had not been for Obama, it would not have taken place. In his first term, Obama specifically stated his intent to reach out to Iran. Remember?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Indeed, and his handling of those problems has been weak. Face it, he has about as much respect on the international scene as Carter did when he was POTUS (as in none).
    No respect? Then why did Assad agree to destroy his weapons. If he had no respect for Obama he would have said to hell with it. I don't have to listen to you.

    If Netanyahu had no respect for Obama, then why is the government of Israel now trying to see how they can leverage the agreement and talks with Iran? If they had no respect, they would say to hell with it, we will do as we please.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It is hard to believe. At the very least she was playing a very active role. If some of the phone calls, that I read about, are to be believed she appeared to be spearheading the effort and had Biden's ear, who had a direct line to the Obama.
    Well I'm just saying that diplomats in such positions receive their instructions from DC, the level of intrigue used by the US to support the overthrow of the elected government, the use of protester snipers as provocateurs, aren't decisions made on the ground.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yep. The "nothing" in response means he didn't use our military on president Assad. And as you mentioned, its far from a given that president Assad's forces even used chemical weapons. Also, with two or three failed attempts to secure a UN resolution for use of force, with the UK backing out, and his failure to secure authorisation from congress, and with 70% of Americans saying no, his only option for using the military was to be a belligerent, and they know this, but then they like belligerents. They loved George Bush for lying about Saddam's WMD's and then telling the UN to support his plan to attack Iraq, or get out of the way.
    Right on mark here. Good post.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well I'm just saying that diplomats in such positions receive their instructions from DC, the level of intrigue used by the US to support the overthrow of the elected government, the use of protester snipers as provocateurs, aren't decisions made on the ground.
    You may be right. If Obama was spearheading that thing, that's a very big problem. Very big.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I get that this is a popular meme for many hysterical rightie tighties, and I'm not even a tiny bit patriotic, but seriously who do you think is more relevant than the USA? Seriously, let's hear 'em. Another country is the global financial currency? Good, bad, or indifferent, which other country is first and most in the news globally looking for our reaction to most global issues, which country is first on the list when "freedom fighters" want financial and logistic support, which country is first on the list when a country needs humanitarian aid after a disaster???

    This idea that we are reducing ourselves hopefully is true, because we could be reduced 10fold or more and still be more relevant than any other country. Stop with the trying to put shame on it. The real shame is the fact that our military spending is more than the next 13 countries combined. Then because we don't, what?, start a war over Crimea, some whiny citizens bemoan our weakness.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    In a global poll, the US is seen as the biggest threat to world peace, so this may be seen as a good development.
    What poll was that?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Obama helped lead the effort for the agreement to take place. And if it had not been for Obama, it would not have taken place. In his first term, Obama specifically stated his intent to reach out to Iran. Remember?
    Indeed, but Russia and China and France had already been "reaching out". Obama just can't be given the credit for that agreement and yes, it would have happened without him. In fact Russia could have done it on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No respect? Then why did Assad agree to destroy his weapons. If he had no respect for Obama he would have said to hell with it. I don't have to listen to you.
    Partly because we paid him and partly because it wasn't the US but the UN security council that was willing to give armed entry into the country the nod if he didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    If Netanyahu had no respect for Obama, then why is the government of Israel now trying to see how they can leverage the agreement and talks with Iran? If they had no respect, they would say to hell with it, we will do as we please.
    No matter how incompetent they think Obama is, they still need the bucks to keep flowing from the US. And again, that agreement has little to nothing to do with the US.
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