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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So when the Ukraine joins the EU that will be a Putin victory? LOL Putin will retain control of his leased ports and Crimea will get a little more autonomy. But Putin's corrupt stooge is gone for good and the Ukraine will be firmly in Europe's sphere of influence. There is nothing Putin can do about it.
    Oh hey - look at that. Crimean Parliament Votes To Join Russia.

    Hey, at what point, exactly, is Putin going to start losing this exchange? At what point, exactly, do you think that this administration will do anything effective that will cost Putin anything serious for basically invading and annexing part of a neighboring country (again)? I really want to hear more about this "oh an invasion is a sign of weakness and Putin has really screwed up, now", theory.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh hey - look at that. Crimean Parliament Votes To Join Russia.

    Hey, at what point, exactly, is Putin going to start losing this exchange? At what point, exactly, do you think that this administration will do anything effective that will cost Putin anything serious for basically invading and annexing part of a neighboring country (again)? I really want to hear more about this "oh an invasion is a sign of weakness and Putin has really screwed up, now", theory.
    You have hit the nail on the head here buddy. Why did Obama allow Victoria Nuland to take this thing so far?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh do explain how you think that's relative to this situation.
    Is it really that difficult for you?

    Russia is aggressive and is threatening its western neighbors (including former soviet satellite states). Its almost like Poland had a bad experience with Russia once.

    Putin shrieked over the missile shield and Obama cancelled it.

    Russia ended its "military exercises" with missile launch.

    This is about the ability of western europe to protect itself should it ever need to-and frankly the EU has probably just had a reality check.

    This isnt even the first time this has happened-Obama cancelled a missile shield in Alaska right around when north korea started launching its rockets.

    Obama is a weak leader.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh hey - look at that. Crimean Parliament Votes To Join Russia.

    Hey, at what point, exactly, is Putin going to start losing this exchange? At what point, exactly, do you think that this administration will do anything effective that will cost Putin anything serious for basically invading and annexing part of a neighboring country (again)? I really want to hear more about this "oh an invasion is a sign of weakness and Putin has really screwed up, now", theory.
    Wow what a surprise, the pro-Russian Crimean Parliament installed last month voted for Putin. It means nothing but you chalk up another victory for your hero.
    Since all referendums most be country wide to be valid I doubt Putin will get his way legally. Meanwhile the EU is readying a $13 billion euro aid package and has pledged full support for the new Govt. of the Ukraine. Tick,tick, how long before they sign the papers to make Ukraine a formal member?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is it really that difficult for you?

    Russia is aggressive and is threatening its western neighbors (including former soviet satellite states). Its almost like Poland had a bad experience with Russia once.

    Putin shrieked over the missile shield and Obama cancelled it.

    Russia ended its "military exercises" with missile launch.

    This is about the ability of western europe to protect itself should it ever need to-and frankly the EU has probably just had a reality check.

    This isnt even the first time this has happened-Obama cancelled a missile shield in Alaska right around when north korea started launching its rockets.

    Obama is a weak leader.
    Missile shields are destabilizing offensive weapons that protect no one. We can't even get ours to work after trillions spent.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Missile shields are destabilizing offensive weapons that protect no one. We can't even get ours to work after trillions spent.
    Uh, missile shields are PURELY defensive-in fact the missle's they use are designed only to intercept other missles.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama is a weak leader.
    The problem here is not that Obama is a weak leader, the problem, at least in this case, is that he made a serious error in judgement in two ways:

    1. He gave Victoria Nuland to much leeway
    2. He miscalculated how Putin would respond

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The problem here is not that Obama is a weak leader, the problem, at least in this case, is that he made a serious error in judgement in two ways:

    1. He gave Victoria Nuland to much leeway
    2. He miscalculated how Putin would respond
    You have just described 2 ways in which he is a weak leader. Many other examples-like lack of credibility and lack of political and diplomatic capital could also be mentioned.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Missile shields are destabilizing offensive weapons that protect no one. We can't even get ours to work after trillions spent.
    Don't kid yourself, the "missile shields" contain every bit as much, if not more, offensive capability as they do defensive.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Don't kid yourself, the "missile shields" contain every bit as much, if not more, offensive capability as they do defensive.
    These are interceptor missiles, purpose designed and many are simply kinetic energy. We have plenty of ways to get offensive missiles just where we need them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ba...r-ICBM_systems
    Last edited by US Conservative; 03-06-14 at 06:40 PM.

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