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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    This Ukrainian siege is beginning to make more sense to me. As other posters have noted, it's all about oil.

    Found the following articles from BBCNews very interesting. The first summarizes the EU's oil/natural gas situation in relation to Russia and the Ukraine very well. It's straight-forward and to the point. The second article is actually a timeline of events concerning the Ukraine and how things have come to where they are since this country broke from the Soviet Union. Puts a lot into perspective.

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Europe's stored gas high as prices soar

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis timeline (Note: Timeline is in ascending order (most recent to past))
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    This Ukrainian siege is beginning to make more sense to me. As other posters have noted, it's all about oil.

    Found the following articles from BBCNews very interesting. The first summarizes the EU's oil/natural gas situation in relation to Russia and the Ukraine very well. It's straight-forward and to the point. The second article is actually a timeline of events concerning the Ukraine and how things have come to where they are since this country broke from the Soviet Union. Puts a lot into perspective.

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Europe's stored gas high as prices soar

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis timeline (Note: Timeline is in ascending order (most recent to past))
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    The only turd bringing up the whine from the past is S. E. Culp on Cross-fire.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It weakens our standing in the world and has the potential for bringing things like this closer to home. Putin knows Obama won't do anything. He will get more aggressive. Tactically it is better to keep your plans close to the vest. If you want to do something, then you do it. You don't rattle your sword and weaken your standing. Being loved as a country is meaningless. Being feared has meaning.
    No it doesn't. It does not "weaken our standing" to condemn such an act. There is no "tactical" situation because we're not at freaking war with Russia. We're not "rattling a sword" because we aren't threatening military action, and only a complete moron thinks we should do so.

    Unlike many people around here, Putin does not make decisions based on this high school bully nonsense. Neither does Obama.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    This is a very dangerous game the Obama administration is playing.

    Anyone in their right mind understands that in order for Russia to remain a major power they must maintain access to the Black Sea.

    Furthermore, allowing Ukraine to become a NATO country, right on their doorstep, would be a big mistake on their part. It would seriously weaken Russia. Why? Because NATO membership for Ukraine would mean that any dispute that Russia might have with Ukraine that reached the point of having to be solved by military means would mean that NATO, THE UNITED STATES INCLUDED, would be bound to come to the defense of Ukraine. That means that Russia, would have a country, right on it's doorstep, that would trigger the military intervention of the United States against Russia in case of an armed conflict breaking out. That would be essentially suicide.

    The Obama administration has made a very grave miscalculation here. Perhaps they feel that by the US provoking the overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine, that in the long run Russia will be weakened, no matter how Russia responds. However this view ignores the potential of putting the US in a position where an armed conflict could break out between Russia and the United States.

    Very sloppy thinking on the part of the United States here.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Its a good thing that Obama cancelled the polish missile shield.
    US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    That Is a good thing. Who ever thought we should be provoking Russia anyway, I mean besides dumb asses anyway?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So... your argument is that Putin will get to keep everything he wants, and the stuff he doesn't want will try to run away... and that is a loss for him...

    sure. you try to spin it that way. Whatever you need to do to protect the Dear Leaders' dithering impotence.

    But I would put the odds of the Ukraine being allowed to join the EU at.... very, very, very low.

    I'de say Ukraine membership in the EU is a done deal, judging by this...


    Martin Schulz, president of the EU Parliament, earlier promised in remarks alongside Yatsenyuk that Europe stood behind the new government in Kiev and a peaceful, democratic future for Ukraine.

    "We are behind you and your government, and we support you with all our means," he said.

    This includes ensuring that an 11 billion-euro aid package offered Wednesday by the European Union gets to Ukraine as soon as possible to shore up the cash-strapped economy, Schulz said.
    Ukraine PM Yatsenyuk rejects referendum on Crimea split - CNN.com

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe you're right on target. We have a president that hates America, opposes American exceptionalism and believes that all the bad things that have happened in the past 100+/- years are the fault of The United States.
    Also, he's black and blacks are icky to certain white people.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its a good thing that Obama cancelled the polish missile shield.
    US missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oh do explain how you think that's relative to this situation.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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