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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well it seems to me they would both have clearly recognized Putin for what he is and not the dropped the Bush freezes and sanctions, nor the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, without something in return. Obama did all that only because Hillary and BHO wanted a re-start.

    This is what happens when you place inexperienced Community Organizers and ex First Ladies in responsible positions.
    How would any of that have prevented Putin from securing his Crimean assets?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How would any of that have prevented Putin from securing his Crimean assets?
    We're getting too far off track here and to debate what leaders of the past might have done is impossible to predict. But if these two (out of three) broke the back of the communist world I'm sure they could have handled a thug like Putin. There were plenty of Putin types around during their day and they still came out on top.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    LOL Putin invaded Georgia in 2008 and Bush did nothing. You really need to control your partisanship, you sound like a blind fool. "Russian interests" just took a HUGE hit with the loss of his Corrupt stooge in the Ukraine and there is nothing he can do about it. How smart is that? The country will be a member of the EU before he knows it.
    I'm not so sure about that.

    Like most of you, I've been paying close attention to this Ukrainian situation and a few things just don't add up to me:

    1. Why did President Viktor Yanukovych resign (or was he impeached)? Was it because the Ukrainian Parliament wanted to side with the EU or was it because their President wanted what the people wanted - to retain close ties with Russia.

    2. America and the EU both receive lots of oil from the Ukraine. Wouldn't forging stronger relations w/the EU put Ukraine's oil in the EU's pocket?

    3. If Russia were truly "occupying" the Ukraine, why don't the Ukrainian people seem worried? Just look at news footage from one week ago when armed Russian troops were in the streets. Ukrainian people walked by as if they were without a care in the world.

    4. If the shipping ports in the Ukraine are leased from Russia, wouldn't Russia have the right to lay claim to them if their country is without a duly elected President or a successor who would keep the ports open in favor of Russian imports/exports?

    5. If the EU stands to make significant gains from Ukraine's move closer to them in terms of foreign relations, why did SoS Kerry deliver a multi-billion dollar check to them in U.S. currency?

    I think these questions and a lot more need to be answered. Something about this entire ordeal just doesn't seem right to me and I'm even more suspicious since coming across these two articles from infowars.com. Granted, I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, but the more I listen to what's being said, the more things just don't add up.

    Soros Activists Take Over Ukrainian Government Buildings Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    Hidden Motives Behind the Ukraine-Russia Conflict Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We're getting too far off track here and to debate what leaders of the past might have done is impossible to predict. But if these two (out of three) broke the back of the communist world I'm sure they could have handled a thug like Putin. There were plenty of Putin types around during their day and they still came out on top.
    Ok, sure. Putin hasn't done anything wrong in the Ukraine, and he's no more a thug than George Bush was. And, nothing needs to be done, because theirs only a problem in some people's minds.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post

    1. Why did President Viktor Yanukovych resign (or was he impeached)? Was it because the Ukrainian Parliament wanted to side with the EU or was it because their President wanted what the people wanted - to retain close ties with Russia.
    Perhaps also he was a corrupt liar and a thief. Another colossal monument to Viktor Yanukovych

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm not so sure about that.

    Like most of you, I've been paying close attention to this Ukrainian situation and a few things just don't add up to me:

    1. Why did President Viktor Yanukovych resign (or was he impeached)? Was it because the Ukrainian Parliament wanted to side with the EU or was it because their President wanted what the people wanted - to retain close ties with Russia.

    2. America and the EU both receive lots of oil from the Ukraine. Wouldn't forging stronger relations w/the EU put Ukraine's oil in the EU's pocket?

    3. If Russia were truly "occupying" the Ukraine, why don't the Ukrainian people seem worried? Just look at news footage from one week ago when armed Russian troops were in the streets. Ukrainian people walked by as if they were without a care in the world.

    4. If the shipping ports in the Ukraine are leased from Russia, wouldn't Russia have the right to lay claim to them if their country is without a duly elected President or a successor who would keep the ports open in favor of Russian imports/exports?

    5. If the EU stands to make significant gains from Ukraine's move closer to them in terms of foreign relations, why did SoS Kerry deliver a multi-billion dollar check to them in U.S. currency?

    I think these questions and a lot more need to be answered. Something about this entire ordeal just doesn't seem right to me and I'm even more suspicious since coming across these two articles from infowars.com. Granted, I'm not prone to conspiracy theories, but the more I listen to what's being said, the more things just don't add up.

    Soros Activists Take Over Ukrainian Government Buildings Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

    Hidden Motives Behind the Ukraine-Russia Conflict Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    First of all Kerry delivered a 1 billion $ LOAN Guarantee not a "check". Second of all Yanukovych is a corrupt stooge hated by much of the population. Even Putin does not think he could be President again. As far as Ukraine oil sales, they are already selling to the EU and Russia sure doesn't need any from them.
    Siding with a KGB thug against the rest of world opinion might seem cute to you but I find it very telling. There is nothing that you won't try and use against Obama even if it means siding with our age old enemy the USSR resurrected in Putin.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Hooray - a Prediction! I will happily bet you a year's platinum membership that this will not be seen by anyone other than those attempting to defend the Administration as a defeat for Putin, and that Russia will retain control over the Crimea.
    So when the Ukraine joins the EU that will be a Putin victory? LOL Putin will retain control of his leased ports and Crimea will get a little more autonomy. But Putin's corrupt stooge is gone for good and the Ukraine will be firmly in Europe's sphere of influence. There is nothing Putin can do about it.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So when the Ukraine joins the EU that will be a Putin victory? LOL Putin will retain control of his leased ports and Crimea will get a little more autonomy. But Putin's corrupt stooge is gone for good and the Ukraine will be firmly in Europe's sphere of influence. There is nothing Putin can do about it.
    So... your argument is that Putin will get to keep everything he wants, and the stuff he doesn't want will try to run away... and that is a loss for him...

    sure. you try to spin it that way. Whatever you need to do to protect the Dear Leaders' dithering impotence.

    But I would put the odds of the Ukraine being allowed to join the EU at.... very, very, very low.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    First of all Kerry delivered a 1 billion $ LOAN Guarantee not a "check". Second of all Yanukovych is a corrupt stooge hated by much of the population. Even Putin does not think he could be President again. As far as Ukraine oil sales, they are already selling to the EU and Russia sure doesn't need any from them.

    Siding with a KGB thug against the rest of world opinion might seem cute to you ...
    Let me stop you right there, buddy. Don't even think of equating my questioning America's foreign interest in Ukraine with siding with Communism at any level. All I've said was things didn't seem right to me based on what I've been reading and what I've been hearing reported in the news regardless if it's Right-Wing or Left-Wing, domestic or foreign. I asked questions; doesn't mean I agree with what Russia's doing. Hell, I don't even agree with America's involvement there, but that has more to do with not understanding our role in this mess outside of access to oil than anything else.

    And for the record, you're way off base with your "siding with the enemy" remark as most posters here would tell you I've defended the President against false accusations, misleading statements and misinformation from his opponents from Day-1. Of course, I've also condemned him when I thought he was wrong, too. You might want to reel that last part in a bit...get those emotions under control.

    Sidenote: Did some more digging and learned that Spilna Sprava is a high-tech computer programming company that specializes in using open source software to create stock market analynic applications. If one of their venture capitalist and/or investors is, in fact, George Soros, then he's acting as more of a philanthropist than a political activist. This would appear to be an issue of "guilt by association" in my book. But I'll keep nosing around and see what else pops up. Of course, the unasked question is why was Spilna Sprava occupying the Justice Ministry building in the first place? What's the back story there?
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 03-05-14 at 05:17 PM.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Siding with a KGB thug against the rest of world opinion might seem cute to you but I find it very telling. There is nothing that you won't try and use against Obama even if it means siding with our age old enemy the USSR resurrected in Putin.
    Asking questions and trying to learn more about what's going on is not the same thing as siding with President Putin. That's not a fair assessment.

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