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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    They don't care imo. They're used to be isolated.
    Beside of that EU won't isolate Russia at all.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia
    if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine


    Obama threatens to

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the time for warnings is over. The article says they are considering what steps to take. Why don't they already KNOW what steps to take? Why are no contingency plans for this in place already? If our intelligence didn't see this coming? Why not?

    I blame our intelligence community. We spend billions​ of dollars to get a heads up on this type action. What happened?
    Well for one, it's literally impossible to tap a secure line.

    So, if I have a cable going from me to you, without some device to intercept what you and I talk in our phones... there is nothing anyone can do to intercept the information going through the line.

    Cell phones are easy to tap because if you know the frequency at which waves are being trasmitted from phone A to phone B, you can tap in and listen on the conversation easily. If the data is encrypted, I can still store it... and when I find the decryption key, I'll find out all you talked. the NSA can spy on you because commercial encryption methods as well as modulation frequences are well known by the state. It's how they use to block transmissions, you see a frequency that isn't used by either a telecommunication company or someone on the list... you block it. That's, like, the readers' digest of how things are.
    It's why in the Oval office, Obama still has a phone with a cord and talks on a "landline" between the oval office and Moscow when he took that fancy picture that is used by everyone when reporting on Obama.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Ok, because Bush got away with blaming his lie on faulty IC, they started focusing on his silly "war on terrorism".
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Coin showed me this earlier.....its dead on.

    Why Russia No Longer Fears the West

    Western leaders are stunned because they haven’t realized Russia’s owners no longer respect Europeans the way they once did after the Cold War. Russia thinks the West is no longer a crusading alliance. Russia thinks the West is now all about the money.

    Putin’s henchmen know this personally. Russia’s rulers have been buying up Europe for years. They have mansions and luxury flats from London’s West End to France’s Cote d’Azure. Their children are safe at British boarding and Swiss finishing schools. And their money is squirrelled away in Austrian banks and British tax havens.

    Putin’s inner circle no longer fear the European establishment. They once imagined them all in MI6. Now they know better. They have seen firsthand how obsequious Western aristocrats and corporate tycoons suddenly turn when their billions come into play. They now view them as hypocrites—the same European elites who help them hide their fortunes.

    Once Russia’s powerful listened when European embassies issued statements denouncing the baroque corruption of Russian state companies. But no more. Because they know full well it is European bankers, businessmen and lawyers who do the dirty work for them placing the proceeds of corruption in hideouts from the Dutch Antilles to the British Virgin Islands.

    We are not talking big money. But very big money. None other than Putin’s Central Bank has estimated that two thirds of the $56 billion exiting Russia in 2012 might be traceable to illegal activities. Crimes like kickbacks, drug money or tax fraud. This is the money that posh English bankers are rolling out the red carpet for in London.

    Behind European corruption, Russia sees American weakness. The Kremlin does not believe European countries – with the exception of Germany – are truly independent of the United States. They see them as client states that Washington could force now, as it once did in the Cold War, not to do such business with the Kremlin

    Russia sees an America distracted: Putin’s Ukrainian gambit was a shock to the U.S. foreign policy establishment. They prefer talking about China, or participating in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Russia sees an America vulnerable: in Afghanistan, in Syria and on Iran—a United States that desperately needs Russian support to continue shipping its supplies, host any peace conference or enforce its sanctions.

    Moscow is not nervous. Russia’s elites have exposed themselves in a gigantic manner – everything they hold dear is now locked up in European properties and bank accounts. Theoretically, this makes them vulnerable. The EU could, with a sudden rush of money-laundering investigations and visa bans, cut them off from their wealth. But, time and time again, they have watched European governments balk at passing anything remotely similar to the U.S. Magnitsky Act, which bars a handful of criminal-officials from entering the United States.....snip


    Read more: Why Russia No Longer Fears the West - Ben Judah - POLITICO Magazine

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Stocks down; oil up; Congress out-of-town due to weather unti Wednesday;
    Reid trying to get Congress to work on Friday.
    Did you notice the problem yet ?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Why Russia No Longer Fears the West
    Who would be the first to complain if NATO blockaded Russian ports?
    If NATO had Turkey cut off the oil and gas lines.
    If all trade were cut off to Russia and its puppets ?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Coin showed me this earlier.....its dead on.

    Why Russia No Longer Fears the West

    Western leaders are stunned because they haven’t realized Russia’s owners no longer respect Europeans the way they once did after the Cold War. Russia thinks the West is no longer a crusading alliance. Russia thinks the West is now all about the money.

    Putin’s henchmen know this personally. Russia’s rulers have been buying up Europe for years. They have mansions and luxury flats from London’s West End to France’s Cote d’Azure. Their children are safe at British boarding and Swiss finishing schools. And their money is squirrelled away in Austrian banks and British tax havens.

    Putin’s inner circle no longer fear the European establishment. They once imagined them all in MI6. Now they know better. They have seen firsthand how obsequious Western aristocrats and corporate tycoons suddenly turn when their billions come into play. They now view them as hypocrites—the same European elites who help them hide their fortunes.

    Once Russia’s powerful listened when European embassies issued statements denouncing the baroque corruption of Russian state companies. But no more. Because they know full well it is European bankers, businessmen and lawyers who do the dirty work for them placing the proceeds of corruption in hideouts from the Dutch Antilles to the British Virgin Islands.

    We are not talking big money. But very big money. None other than Putin’s Central Bank has estimated that two thirds of the $56 billion exiting Russia in 2012 might be traceable to illegal activities. Crimes like kickbacks, drug money or tax fraud. This is the money that posh English bankers are rolling out the red carpet for in London.

    Behind European corruption, Russia sees American weakness. The Kremlin does not believe European countries – with the exception of Germany – are truly independent of the United States. They see them as client states that Washington could force now, as it once did in the Cold War, not to do such business with the Kremlin

    Russia sees an America distracted: Putin’s Ukrainian gambit was a shock to the U.S. foreign policy establishment. They prefer talking about China, or participating in Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. Russia sees an America vulnerable: in Afghanistan, in Syria and on Iran—a United States that desperately needs Russian support to continue shipping its supplies, host any peace conference or enforce its sanctions.

    Moscow is not nervous. Russia’s elites have exposed themselves in a gigantic manner – everything they hold dear is now locked up in European properties and bank accounts. Theoretically, this makes them vulnerable. The EU could, with a sudden rush of money-laundering investigations and visa bans, cut them off from their wealth. But, time and time again, they have watched European governments balk at passing anything remotely similar to the U.S. Magnitsky Act, which bars a handful of criminal-officials from entering the United States.....snip


    Read more: Why Russia No Longer Fears the West - Ben Judah - POLITICO Magazine
    Europe now has all those Russian oil and gas pipelines delivering Russian oil and gas. If Russia does get peeved at Europe, guess what they will do. OOPs, no more oil and gas although that would put a crimp in their Ruble, Europe would be far more hurt. Hmm, Europe to place sanctions on Russia, Russia has an easy reply.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Europe now has all those Russian oil and gas pipelines delivering Russian oil and gas. If Russia does get peeved at Europe, guess what they will do. OOPs, no more oil and gas although that would put a crimp in their Ruble, Europe would be far more hurt. Hmm, Europe to place sanctions on Russia, Russia has an easy reply.
    Don't you think that China would gladly relieve Russia of that oil and gas?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, because Bush got away with blaming his lie on faulty IC, they started focusing on his silly "war on terrorism".
    Well, Monte let not forget what Gates says.


    Obama must carefully calibrate Russia response, rhetoric: Gates

    President Barack Obama needs to look "two or three moves out" as he weighs his response to Russia's seizure of Ukraine's Crimea Peninsula, which Moscow is unlikely to soon reverse, Obama's former defense secretary, Robert Gates, said on Sunday.

    Gates, a Russia expert and former CIA chief, portrayed a difficult path for Obama in which European allies may "huff and puff" but fail to match rhetoric with strong action and where Russian President Vladimir Putin feels he has the upper hand.

    "From Putin's standpoint, he's in the catbird seat. He's put himself in a position where we need him in terms of the Syrian chemical (weapons) deal. We need him in terms of the Iranian nuclear program," Gates, who served as defense secretary from 2006 to 2011, said in a telephone interview with Reuters.

    "We need the Russians in terms of getting our (military) equipment out of Afghanistan."

    Asked how he would advise Obama in the crisis in Ukraine, Gates pointed to lessons from Russia's war with Georgia in 2008, when he said Washington wanted to react with more forceful economic and political measures than EU allies did.

    "We ran the risk of being the ones who would be isolated because we favored a much more aggressive response than any of our (European) allies did," said Gates, who was President George W. Bush's defense secretary at the time.

    "So that's one of the things the president's got to look out for."

    Indeed, the European Union is not expected to match the United States in threatening sanctions against Russia when its foreign ministers meet to discuss Ukraine on Monday, instead pushing for mediation between Moscow and Kiev, officials say.....snip~

    Obama must carefully calibrate Russia response, rhetoric: Gates

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Europe now has all those Russian oil and gas pipelines delivering Russian oil and gas.
    The World has plenty of sources of oil and gas.
    A little rationing to get by blockading of ALL Russian goods wouldn't hut the World.
    But it would hurt Russia, deeply.
    And the G-7 could reform in June .
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