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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ridiculous. Completely ignoring an invasion of a country? Just pretend it's not happening? Yeah, that'll make America look great. Wow, listen to yourselves.
    It is neither our country nor an ally that is being invaded. We really need to stop trying to be the world's police force. Are you angry at China for staying out of it? I'm not. I'm respecting her for it. Do you really want us to spend resources every time a country misbehaves on the planet?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    In other words "all hail the great leader Putin". Is that your dream? Do you really see it as just a match between Obama and that 3rd world thug? Putin will pull out of Crimea like the coward he is. He will keep his naval bases, they are part of the treaty. The Ukraine is rid of a corrupt leader and will soon be part of the EU. Putin lost big time, this is nothing but a ploy to save face.
    Hooray - a Prediction! I will happily bet you a year's platinum membership that this will not be seen by anyone other than those attempting to defend the Administration as a defeat for Putin, and that Russia will retain control over the Crimea.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is neither our country nor an ally that is being invaded. We really need to stop trying to be the world's police force. Are you angry at China for staying out of it? I'm not. I'm respecting her for it. Do you really want us to spend resources every time a country misbehaves on the planet?
    Precisely. What does it matter to us what Russia does in its own back yard?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Precisely. What does it matter to us what Russia does in its own back yard?
    Ukraine has been moved to our back yard?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Ukraine has been moved to our back yard?
    What do you think the possessive "its" in that sentence is referring to?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is neither our country nor an ally that is being invaded. We really need to stop trying to be the world's police force. Are you angry at China for staying out of it? I'm not. I'm respecting her for it. Do you really want us to spend resources every time a country misbehaves on the planet?
    False dichotomy. Issuing statements doesn't "spend resources."
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    It is neither our country nor an ally that is being invaded. We really need to stop trying to be the world's police force. Are you angry at China for staying out of it? I'm not. I'm respecting her for it. Do you really want us to spend resources every time a country misbehaves on the planet?
    Perhaps there's a response in between.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    False dichotomy. Issuing statements doesn't "spend resources."
    It weakens our standing in the world and has the potential for bringing things like this closer to home. Putin knows Obama won't do anything. He will get more aggressive. Tactically it is better to keep your plans close to the vest. If you want to do something, then you do it. You don't rattle your sword and weaken your standing. Being loved as a country is meaningless. Being feared has meaning.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Everyone needs to remember one basic civics fact: the POTUS is similar to the President of Iran--he/she doesn't wield ultimate power.

    Rex Tillerson is ultimately responsible for deciding how the US govt. handles this situation, and the POTUS must take orders from him.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How would Mrs. T and Ronnie have stopped him?
    Well it seems to me they would both have clearly recognized Putin for what he is and not the dropped the Bush freezes and sanctions, nor the missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, without something in return. Obama did all that only because Hillary and BHO wanted a re-start.

    This is what happens when you place inexperienced Community Organizers and ex First Ladies in responsible positions.

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