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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why not **** Russia, got a thing for Putie?
    Fair enough.

    **** Russia too, as far as it goes.

    Bottom line is we have no business having anything to do with the place.

    The fact that we even have an "official" opinion on what is going on there is pathetic.

    The knucklehead in the White House making empty threats and Idiot McCain running his suck about how we should be making more forceful empty threats.

    Both sides of this "debate" are an embarrassment to America.

    Our "official" position should be, "Ummm, so what?"

    Militarily the place has no strategic value to us, at least none that some other more stable nation in the region can't fill.

    Societally internal tensions are through the roof and have been for years if not longer.

    Politically the place is a dysfunctional kleptocracy.

    Economically, their number one exports are Live Leak videos of idiots dying in drunk driving accidents.

    Let Russia have it, and then they can **** each other, or Putin can get involved and make it a three way.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    This seems clear in my mind (accurate or not), Putin and Russia decided to take a risk, which could have paid off nicely, yet miscalculated the reaction and noted the possible damage it would inflict. Upon seeing the damage (economic and military) the regime backed away to prevent inevitable destruction...or decimation.

    Russia now faces trading property for economic survival....and in my view, will bow before the threat of western isolation.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Have they **** been trying to stop it. They only got involved to show the US up, they struck a deal to get Assad to give up his chemical weapons which as of yet has yet to happen.
    There's far more reasons then that for Russia to be involved. It wasn't to show the US up, it was to back the US up. Please don't forget that Russia was very pissed at the US/NATO for abusing res. 1973 and they vowed they weren't going to allow us to do the same in Syria. And if the West would stop supporting the AQ, MB, AL Nusra infested opposition forces, president Assad would rap this up and the bloodshed would end.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    So yes, we criticize Obama, and Kerry, but not jut based on ideology.

    It's based on what seems to be a foreign policy that's utterly lacking in coherency. Do I need to remind you Libs of the ' reset ' button, and Obama's claim in his State of the Union Address that "American diplomacy, backed by the threat of force, is why Syria's chemical weapons are being eliminated."

    Really ?

    His pledge of Military action in Syria just confirmed to every dictator that any future threats from Obama are going to be empty. Putin may not be there to bail him out of the next Middle East crisis.

    His claim that the US has "halted the progress of the Iranian nuclear program."

    Not true, The Iranians were lying to us before, and now they can continue to enrich uranium and continue to skirt International Law. The Arab Spring backfired, as stupid reporters headed off into the crowds fishing for " Thank You's'' from the Egyptian protesters.

    This Ukraine issue just emphasizes how important it is to elect a competent leader who sincerely believes in the fundamental principles of the Country he's sworn to protect.

    If this Ukrainian issue irons itself self out it won't be because of Obama's foreign policy prowess....but he may try to take credit for it.
    I love this argument because it show how many on the Right completely ignore just how much of a mess our foreign policy had become in a post-GWB/post 9/11 world. But more than that, folks who spew such garbage as Fenton apparently is echoing directly from the Right-wing talking heads continue to purposely conflate ME policy with other world policies. Notice how he blends events from the ME with current events in the Ukraine knowing full well neither has anything to do with the other. Furthermore as has already been pointed out, not even GWB had a grasp on Russian foreign relations throughout his tenure because his eyes were firmly fixed on the terrorist and nowhere else. So, when your predecessor creates a mess in the ME in his attempt to "spread democracy" in the hopes it would fane out across the ME, only it becomes a disaster and all you're doing is picking up the pieces in one hand while trying to patch up relationship and build bridges where you can, how exactly can you cement a new, broader ME foreign policy when you've barely gotten out of one war torn nation, are trying to end a war in another, yet continue to use drone strikes to kill terrorist in at least two other parts of the world (Pakistan and African peninsula)? How exactly do you broker a new ME foreign policy when you're still marred in a big ME mess all over the place?

    As I mentioned above, it's very interesting how many on the Right continue to blend ME policy with international relations as if America under Pres. Obama just doesn't have any allies at all. It really makes me laugh at just how hard they try to make it appear as if we've become so isolated and/or so disrespected around the world. The thing that gets me is this: If our so-called "enemies" really don't think Pres. Obama will take any military action against their moves toward aggression, why hasn't any of these nations who hate us so much taken a hostile step against us?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Really? I suppose when Russia withdraws with little to show for it, you will not credit the President. I'm pretty sure you will praise Putin for his "restraint" instead. You righties have nothing but praise for that KGB thug. He must be your kind of people.
    Okay, when will they withdraw?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What do Hussein/Clinton have to do with the thread topic, as you have chided another ?
    He following the same foreign policy path, just a different country and leader. Try to expand a bit beyond your narrow ideology and think about that post. Obama is in no position to dictate or control anything in the Ukraine.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Really? I suppose when Russia withdraws with little to show for it, you will not credit the President. I'm pretty sure you will praise Putin for his "restraint" instead. You righties have nothing but praise for that KGB thug. He must be your kind of people.
    Putin will not withdraw from the Crimea. It now belongs to Russia, and the world will realize and accept that. He will even appear magnanimous if he calls for peace and doesn't take over all of the Ukraine. The world will then heave a long sigh and be grateful to Vladimir Putin. It's a well known Communist strategy.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Is Syria an example of this benevolent patience?
    Do you wish he had patience in Syria but act hastily with Russia?
    Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Do you wish he had patience in Syria but act hastily with Russia?
    I wish we had a president who wasn't out matched by third world dictators.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I wish we had a president who wasn't out matched by third world dictators.
    Only time will tell just how well he has handled anything, we are not out of either situation and perhaps both situations through an act of Obama may turn out right. For you to say he has been outmatched is simply speaking too soon.

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