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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It is not perfectly legal to attack a country that isn't threatening or attacking you. And I prefer a president that follows the will of americans, not his own.
    Are you the saying you like the 'No Drama Obama' Doctrine versus the 'Bring It On' Doctrine? And a SoS who was welcomed in Ukraine, as well as praised by Netanyahu ?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What's bull!@#$ is the utter failure of any of the right wingers to convince us why/how inaction to Putin's latest act amounts to incompetence.
    The utter incompetence doesn't come from inaction, but the president's actions in this case. His empty bluster, his entire handling of this. This president is useless and embarassing. And now, we toss a billion dollars out there as a distraction, to look like he's doing something.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The utter incompetence doesn't come from inaction, but the president's actions in this case. His empty bluster
    Big deal. Words are irrelevant.

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    , his entire handling of this.
    Which handling. Be specific.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He never complains that the UK pussed out in Syria. Obama dispatched Hillary Clinton to the UN two or three times to secure a resolution for use of force, every time she came home empty handed, then the UK backed out, he didn't have congresses approval, and 70% of Americans were against US action in Syria. He thinks Obama should have been a belligerent and attacked president Assad anyway. That's how one thinks that has a lust for war.
    Which is hilarious for you to say since when Putin sends troops in to Ukraine with no UN authorization you support him. Does Putin have a lust for war?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Which is hilarious for you to say since when Putin sends troops in to Ukraine with no UN authorization you support him. Does Putin have a lust for war?
    I never said I supported the action. Who said that?

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Big deal. Words are irrelevant.
    No, no they aren't. That's what foreign relations and diplomacy are all about - words.

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Which handling. Be specific.
    I have been, over and over again in this thread. You came in late to the game and didn't read what came before. Not my problem.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Leading article: Bill Clinton 0, Saddam Hussein 1. So what is the US strategy? - Voices - The Independent

    The message from Washington is clear. But it has to be spelt out because, earlier this week, the White House strategy of bluffing Iraq into submission by uncompromising talk and a massive show of strength came badly unstuck.

    In an error entirely of the Administration's own making, a State Department official disclosed that the US might countenance a more flexible sanctions regime. That told Iraq that it could treat the warmongering pictures being beamed in on CNN (which functions at times like these like a virtual back channel for US diplomacy) as mere sabre-rattling. Like everyone else, the US was prepared to deal. Once that cat was out of the bag, the US had to try doubly hard to look tough.
    https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/...inton-doctrine

    Not to be deterred by success, the Clinton administration made that demonstration of force in Iraq the exception that proves the rule. Consider its response to the next two bona fide nation security emergencies it faced: the 1994 North Korean nuclear crisis and the current crisis over United Nations inspectors in Iraq. Both cases involved the "major regional contingencies" on which U.S. military planning is based. Yet in each we, Mr. Clinton's top priority was avoiding use of military force and confrontation, even if that meant accepting significant risks to U.S. interests.

    Accepting Ambiguity An uncharitable interpretation would be that Mr. Clinton simply declared victory and unleashed spinmeisters to persuade us it was so. In the case of North Korea, after declaring publicly that Pyongyang cannot be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons, the president decided to live with the possibility that it has one or two secret atomic bombs, rather than pressing for a more certain resolution that could have risked armed conflict. In the Iraq case, Mr. Clinton so far has accepted the ambiguity of the dangerous status quo ante, while Saddam gained an opportunity to hide the biological weapons that U.N. inspectors had been closing in on.
    I think Obama could learn something from the Clinton years......don't get involved unless you plan to take decisive action, action you're willing to back up with muscle. If you don't think you can do that, stay the hell out of it. You're going to lose the confrontation anyway, and look like a fool doing it. I'm thinking Obama should probably stop at condemning the actions of Russia, because anything else like sanctions or saber-rattling toward a country like Russian don't mean much.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I never said I supported the action. Who said that?
    Please try and read who was quoted in the post before assuming it is you.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    The billion dollars was first brought out in discussions with 'Mr. Cantor', the only GOP leader to stand with the President so far.
    Do you agree with Pukin that no Russians are in Crimea?
    How far are you willing to go to defend our enemies ?
    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The utter incompetence doesn't come from inaction, but the president's actions in this case. His empty bluster, his entire handling of this. This president is useless and embarassing. And now, we toss a billion dollars out there as a distraction, to look like he's doing something.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, no they aren't. That's what foreign relations and diplomacy are all about - words.
    Nope. It's about actions. World leaders don't care about words.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I have been, over and over again in this thread. You came in late to the game and didn't read what came before. Not my problem.
    Where? I've yet to see any valid complaint about why Obama's inaction in this latest Crimean saga amounts to incompetence.

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