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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A carrier task force in the Black Sea.
    As a threat, or to actually push Putin back out of the peninsula?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True! It's about as relevant as US propaganda.
    Or Russian.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why do you keep insisting that I said that? What's wrong with you?
    Here's where you said it, post 182, what's wrong with you?

    Obama's economic retaliation might be a gut shot to Russia and severely damage their economy. However, we need to be prepared for Russia to respond to that militarily.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    Or Russian.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As a threat, or to actually push Putin back out of the peninsula?
    To call Putin's bluff; with the assurance that American aircraft will provide air support for Ukrainian and Crimean forces.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To call Putin's bluff; with the assurance that American aircraft will provide air support for Ukrainian and Crimean forces.
    There are times, guy, when war is NOT the answer...or didn't you learn anything from Iraq (which turned out just as Bush 41 warned, which warning Bush 43 ignored)? It is stupid, absolutely insane for the two nations with the most nuclear weapons to engage in direct combat with each other...because then it does not matter that our military is better than theirs, because we can't shoot down their nukes.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't know who owns those waters; if there's any international agreement making the straights neutral territory.
    I don't know either. Looking at a map, the Dardanelles has Turkey on both sides going into the Sea of Marmara. The Bosphorus also has both side belonging to Turkey between the Sea of Marmara and the Black Sea. So it seems they would belong to Turkey and then there is the Aegean Sea to be sailed to get to the Dardanelles. In theory, it should not be a problem to get Turkey's okay. Now there are two bridges that cross the Bosphorus, I am not sure how high they are or if a carrier could sail under them.

    Also according to this article the depth of the Bosphorus varies from 13 meters to 110 meters. That 13 meters, approximately 50 feet may be a problem for any carrier.

    Bosphorus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    But even if possible depending the the bridges and depth, I think moving in a carrier battle fleet/squardon/group what ever they are called today into the Black Sea would be a mistake. But that is just a personal opinion.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We need to show some balls. Putin can't afford an all out war anymore than we can; less even.
    I know, but history is repeat with people and countries who supposedly couldn't afford a war that still went to war. Supposed according to the news a lot of the troops are now returning to their barracks. That is a good thing.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    There are times, guy, when war is NOT the answer...or didn't you learn anything from Iraq (which turned out just as Bush 41 warned, which warning Bush 43 ignored)? It is stupid, absolutely insane for the two nations with the most nuclear weapons to engage in direct combat with each other...because then it does not matter that our military is better than theirs, because we can't shoot down their nukes.
    It's always all or nothing with you people. you act like our only options are do nothing or send troops. How about Obama simply tell Putin if he shoots one bullet in the Ukraine HE will impose the strongest sanctions possible on Russia. Then actually stick to his word(for once) and go through with it. But he won't do that. Even today he's sending out Biden to say we're going to pawn it off on "international institutions" to take care of the situation.

    the point is NOBODY(not us, not the Russian, not the planet) expects Obama to show backbone here. If, however, he does I will be the first one to commend him for it.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    To call Putin's bluff; with the assurance that American aircraft will provide air support for Ukrainian and Crimean forces.
    I don't think you can call Putins bluff on this, and if our air support did target Russian forces, I don't think you or I would be happy with the result.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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