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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This is why you begin by parking them at the entrance to the Aegean Sea.

    Yet House Intelligence Chair Rogers took the Navy off the table yesterday.

    So which is it with the GOP?
    How many voices does the GOP get to speak to Putin with, exacerbaing the problem ?
    I don't know about the GOP. I suppose when things like this arise most of what you hear are from individuals and not party. I doubt if there is a single view for the party. What I hope that happens is the president will try to defuse the situation and the GOP on the whole will back him in his attempt to defuse it.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The draft is too shallow?
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which means the agreement in 1993 that Russia signed is null and void.
    As long as war-mongers are talking tough while criticizing Obama, you can always count on me to talk tougher ande defend Obama.

    Now, stop all naval, train, air, road traffic and water if we're serious.
    Freeze assets, cut off gas and oil coming out--did I miss anything ?
    I don't know.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think he should send Kerry and Hillary in.
    Yeah, that'll show 'em...

    Quite an opening for levity there, sir .... but I don't want to be believed a hack... I'll just chuckle alone



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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    You can handle the specifics with the NAVY.
    Especially since V. Putin attended War Games today, Russian News lead story.

    Since the Russian stock market went down 12% today, we could help that with turning off the oil and gas spigots to the EU.
    I'll look for someone to shut down Russian air travel to North America and the EU.

    Who will freeze their overseas assets, since the EU countries are so feckless and appeasing?
    And there's so much more we can do, as I've mentioned .
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    There's a huge difference between deploying a task force to international waters and establishing a blockade, Nimby.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Yeah, that'll show 'em...

    Quite an opening for levity there, sir .... but I don't want to be believed a hack... I'll just chuckle alone



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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Putin knows Hillary can go from 0 to Bitch in 5 seconds..............he's quivering in his boots.



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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Which means the agreement in 1993 that Russia signed is null and void.
    As long as war-mongers are talking tough while criticizing Obama, you can always count on me to talk tougher ande defend Obama.

    Now, stop all naval, train, air, road traffic and water if we're serious.
    Freeze assets, cut off gas and oil coming out--did I miss anything ?
    I don't think anyone of any consequence is talking tough. I think we're probably feeling rather powerless to stop what's going on myself.

    "Everybody says 'no' to the U.S. these days without cost or consequence," Aaron David Miller, former adviser to six secretaries of State and scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, told Fox News.

    He said the last "truly effective" foreign policy was under former President George H.W. Bush. "There was a cost for saying 'no' to the United States," he reminisced. "Right now, there is no cost."
    From what I've read, no one is very hawkish right now. So far, we're not sending representatives to the paralympics games Friday at the Sochi Olympics...neither is the UK. We've suspended talks about a trade agreement we've been working on with Russia for some time, and we've cancelled military games with them.

    It's all beginning to make me rather nervous.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This is why you begin by parking them at the entrance to the Aegean Sea.

    Yet House Intelligence Chair Rogers took the Navy off the table yesterday.

    So which is it with the GOP?
    How many voices does the GOP get to speak to Putin with, exacerbaing the problem ?
    Are you aware that a naval blockade is an act of war?

    And I would ask about your solution, what happens when Russia opens fire? Does Obama fire back and with what? Nukes?

    You see, there is no military solution. Britain rejected it on the week end, Canada yesterday, Poland the same day, for all those reasons. Trust me, the collective military intelligence of all of NATO, Poland, Ukraine, as well as the Pentagon and maybe even the Vatican has been over this, and if they aren't even talking about it, it is not Obama's to own.

    In retrospect, the decision to screw with Putin's head and mess with Ukraine was pretty damn stupid. He poked a big ugly stick into a giant wasp's nest with no way to deal with the wasps so now all he can do is avoid the stings
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Are you aware that a naval blockade is an act of war?

    And I would ask about your solution, what happens when Russia opens fire? Does Obama fire back and with what? Nukes?
    And I would again ask you, are you not aware that what Putin did is an act of War?
    You know, the 4-Nation agreement in 1993 where Sen. Lugar paid how much treasure for Ukraine's nukes.
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