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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    If Putin responded to a crisis, as you say, why did he not have enough influence on Yanukovich to have a better ending?
    Besides my military options in post 129, sanctions have been explained to me as a solid option.
    Since 2/3 of Russia's income is coming from the EU, it is easy for me to see why the EU is such a feckless appeasor .
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    No, I'm saying that his action is a response to a crisis.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If Putin responded to a crisis, as you say, why did he not have enough influence on Yanukovich to have a better ending?
    Besides my military options in post 129, sanctions have been explained to me as a solid option.
    Since 2/3 of Russia's income is coming from the EU, it is easy for me to see why the EU is such a feckless appeasor .
    So you're accusing Putin of creating the crisis.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Putin was unable to stop the crisis in the Ukraine, a matter of fact.
    This is a much more direct correlation than Obama is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine .
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you're accusing Putin of creating the crisis.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

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    : It's Winter over there, too, and it's cold! This is not Sochi, where they had to manufacture snow for the Olympic games. Palm trees grow on the streets of Sochi!

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Russian soldiers are wearing generic green instead of their colors.
    They are instigating Pro-Russian riots.
    Baier on FOX is an excellent watch.
    Instead of slamming Obama, they're one of the few FOX programs to do great reporting .
    During the day I will switch back and forth between Fox and CNN. I never watch the news channel after supper. It is all political talk shows and I am smart enough to make up my mind without me being told what to think about the issues or happenings. But apparently plenty others need their fix.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The world is producing roughly 80-85 million barrels of oil per day. Russia produces about 12 % of that. The world does not have 8 million barrels of reserve production to make up for that production. Combine that with the reduction of Iran's production, the amount of excess oil is minimal. Which is why the price of oil is around the $100 per barrrel mark +/- a few dollars, and not $50.


    The diversion would just mean that oil that went to Europe goes to Asia at extra cost and the oil that was going to go to Asia goes to Europe at extra cost

    Economc isolation will mean a stop of Russian investments in the EU and NA, and a stop in EU investments in Russia

    Political isolation will mean Russia gets kicked out of bodies like the G8.

    All of which Russia can live with. Strategically Russia coud not live without the port in Crimea, and being replaced there with a Nato port.
    Yeah, that was my point. Perhaps not said as good, but the meaning is the same. Good point on the Crimea port also. One should realize that the Ukraine is right there in Russia's backyard if not in their screen in back porch.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you really saying that sanctions didn't affect Iran?
    That Iran didn't elect a moderate leader due to sanctions?
    That Iran didn't come to the table cuz they were starving?
    That Israel and Congressional war-hawks still want sanctions, since they don't work ?
    I think the whole thing had little effect on those in charge. The moderate leader is just a face with the real power behind him. He is the face to the world.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Putin was unable to stop the crisis in the Ukraine, a matter of fact.
    This is a much more direct correlation than Obama is responsible for Putin invading Ukraine .
    Hey I'm not blaming Obama for anything in the Ukraine (yet anyway).
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, that was my point. Perhaps not said as good, but the meaning is the same. Good point on the Crimea port also. One should realize that the Ukraine is right there in Russia's backyard if not in their screen in back porch.
    That's what legitimises Putin at this point I like to continue to point out. That could change.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    If Putin responded to a crisis, as you say, why did he not have enough influence on Yanukovich to have a better ending?
    Besides my military options in post 129, sanctions have been explained to me as a solid option.
    Since 2/3 of Russia's income is coming from the EU, it is easy for me to see why the EU is such a feckless appeasor .


    I am at a loss how Putin having influence over Yanukovich would have lessened the crisis.

    The previous regime were ousted amid criminal charges of corruption, $35 billion of US aid money has gone missing, and the open admission that the State Department was actively fostering the ouster.

    Obviously, Putin had no means of controlling any of that, from his viewpoint, it was an attempt to destabilize his relations with Ukraine, rather like how the US would react if Putin were trying to get rid of a duly elected government in Canada. Or so Canada would like to believe, although the last five years have given us great cause to doubt.
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