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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I wouldn't think the Pentagon would be real excited about taking on the Russians.
    Collectively NATO would destroy Russia. The issue is more a case of being able to get the necessary pieces in place and avoiding mass civilian casualties/ throwing the whole region into turmoil.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    My concern is that Putin does not ignore the many splintered GOP groups, hammering the POTUS daily in public.
    Rep. Rogers wants to throw Russia out of the G-8.
    Merkel said she wasn't too keen on this idea.
    My point is that the USA does not speak with a unified voice.

    As for the EU to fix, the USA lost countless thousands of merchant seamen before we actually joined WW2.

    Russian stock markets down 10% today, losing 58 billion dollars in value..
    This from FOX Baier and Hume on right now who I like .
    Putin wants Crimea, and a good part of Crimea wants Putin. there's exceptionally little that we can or should do. unfortunately, Obama is still drawing rhetorical lines in the sand. and McCain? i saw part of his speech today, and i am so relieved that this guy is not in charge right now. he's like an even more hawkish superBush.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They're making empty threats after they've failed diplomatically for years. So yes, considering they're just making the US look worse and worse every time they open their mouths, perhaps they should shut the hell up.
    So exactly what empty threats are you referring to on the Ukraine?
    While Sen. Rubio is taking the Air Force off the table, Sen. McCain goes off in the other direction.
    Meanwhile, I can watch Krauthammer--G. Will--Mara Liasson on the Special Report .
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Putin wants Crimea, and a good part of Crimea wants Putin. there's exceptionally little that we can or should do.
    Yet as soon as Putin invaded, the GOPs came out of the woodwork with "marbles and chess" type comments.
    unfortunately, Obama is still drawing rhetorical lines in the sand.
    Yet when Obama says nothing, he is criticized over that.
    and McCain? i saw part of his speech today, and i am so relieved that this guy is not in charge right now. he's like an even more hawkish superBush.
    But McCain and Graham are the go-to speakers for the GOP position, as you heard McCain get large ovations today .
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    What I mean is that the GOPs who are mouthing off are intent on clipping Obama's wings no matter what he says on any foreign policy event.
    The GOP believes they are the only ones who can handle foreign affairs, as they did lasy week in filibustering a bill to help Iraqi Veterans .
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    Sorry NIM, I don't understand your second question.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet as soon as Putin invaded, the GOPs came out of the woodwork with "marbles and chess" type comments.
    frankly, the GOP's MO has been to criticize anything and everything Obama does because they hate him viscerally. when it comes to situations like this which involve our global interests, they should be ignored.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Yet when Obama says nothing, he is criticized over that.
    he'll be criticized no matter what he does. he should understand that, and take the hit. he could imitate John McCain, and the GOP would still hate him.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    But McCain and Graham are the go-to speakers for the GOP position, as you heard McCain get large ovations today .
    they lost, and at least partially because the country is sick to death of war. there are ALWAYS going to be new wars that we feel we should get involved in. as proof, we've been at war almost constantly for a century. WWII is probably the only one we should have gotten involved in, and without WWI, it might never have happened.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So exactly what empty threats are you referring to on the Ukraine?
    While Sen. Rubio is taking the Air Force off the table, Sen. McCain goes off in the other direction.
    Meanwhile, I can watch Krauthammer--G. Will--Mara Liasson on the Special Report .
    I've made that clear and YOU proposed a couple yourself. I've shown you that yours were empty threats and asked you to show how they aren't a few times now. Still waiting.

    Here's a clue, stop watching FoxNews.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Collectively NATO would destroy Russia. The issue is more a case of being able to get the necessary pieces in place and avoiding mass civilian casualties/ throwing the whole region into turmoil.
    One basic weakness of the West is the plutocratic nature of most of its top countries, and plutocracies are extremely easy to beat because all you have to do is find someone who has substantial controlling shares in several major corporations and/or owns several pols (i. e. in the US Congress) and threaten his/her family or reputation in some way, and voila, the govt. of the nation in which that individual has the most influence will quickly surrender or bow to your wishes.

    The US is perfect example of this. If Putin, for example, manages to get his foreign FSB operatives to kidnap one of the children or relatives of the Koch bros., he can then order the US military to stand down.

    The UK is another example--if Putin manages to do something similar to one of the rich Lords in the UK, the UK military will surrender and take orders from him.

    IN other words, to win against a plutocracy, it is not necessary to defeat that country's military.

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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    So yes, we criticize Obama, and Kerry, but not jut based on ideology.

    It's based on what seems to be a foreign policy that's utterly lacking in coherency. Do I need to remind you Libs of the ' reset ' button, and Obama's claim in his State of the Union Address that "American diplomacy, backed by the threat of force, is why Syria's chemical weapons are being eliminated."

    Really ?

    His pledge of Military action in Syria just confirmed to every dictator that any future threats from Obama are going to be empty. Putin may not be there to bail him out of the next Middle East crisis.

    His claim that the US has "halted the progress of the Iranian nuclear program."

    Not true, The Iranians were lying to us before, and now they can continue to enrich uranium and continue to skirt International Law. The Arab Spring backfired, as stupid reporters headed off into the crowds fishing for " Thank You's'' from the Egyptian protesters.

    This Ukraine issue just emphasizes how important it is to elect a competent leader who sincerely believes in the fundamental principles of the Country he's sworn to protect.

    If this Ukrainian issue irons itself self out it won't be because of Obama's foreign policy prowess....but he may try to take credit for it.
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    Re: Obama warns US will 'isolate' Russia if Putin doesn't pull back in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    What I mean is that the GOPs who are mouthing off are intent on clipping Obama's wings no matter what he says on any foreign policy event.
    The GOP believes they are the only ones who can handle foreign affairs, as they did lasy week in filibustering a bill to help Iraqi Veterans .
    No doubt, I probably have not seen all the GOP "attacks". Considering the state of the situation as best I conceive it those persons may feel they are expected to say something ergo they say something; They can't really "clip his wings".

    The O administration is not exactly "soaring" in this situation; It causes me wonder if O's advisers are truly aware on these matters or if O and K are not heeding the advice; feeling they also must say something they toss something against the wall.

    I don't have the answers but certainly have many questions. NIM this is not a DEM. vs. GOP thing. The problem belongs to and must be solved by O and his personally picked Cabinet and misc. advisers.

    Metaphorically, the slo-mo replay could show a quarterback fumble; he might well try a different play for this one repeatedly has not worked.

    Listen more, watch more,think more ... then execute a plan

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