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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    which of her civil rights did he violate?
    He discriminated against her because of her creed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The Other Side of the Coin

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    She's being discriminated against, because of her sexuality.

    No she's not, the hairdresser has plenty of female clients and will provide services to them. Therefore it's not the sexual orienation (or gender either) that is the basis of the refusal.

    Remember the claim from the bakers? To paraphrase: They sell baked goods to gay people all the time, it was the event, not the person to which they objected". So in this case it's not the sexual orientation nor the sex of the Governor which is the factor, the it is her political position they they find offensive and therefore refused service.

    It's very hypocritical to say a photographer or baker can refuse to service a customer because they don't believe in Same-sex Civil Marriage and to then turn around and say that a hairdresser can't refuse service they do believe in Marriage Equality.


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    Re: The Other Side of the Coin

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She's being discriminated against, because of her sexuality.
    Unless I missed something, being against gay marriage isn't in any way related to ones sexuality.

    There are plenty of straight people who are for gay marriage.

    She's being discriminated against for her political views. And I have no issue with that.

    Then again, I don't really have an issue with a cater discriminating against a same sex wedding, because a wedding is an event and I have no issue with discriminating against events.

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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He discriminated against her because of her creed.

    "Creed" isn't mentioned in the New Mexico law. Creed to some means a set of fundamental beliefs - that is not protected. You can have a fundamental belief that blacks are bad, you still can't discriminate them as Public Accommodation subject business. Now one could argue that creed is synonymous with "religion" and that would be true.

    28-1-7. Unlawful discriminatory practice.
    F. any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services, facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap, provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or housing accommodation ;

    However the hairdresser would be able to show that he serves many Christians and therefore doesn't discriminate against customers based on religion. The fact that she is a politician though, and that he objects to her position on secular law, is not a protected status.


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    Re: The Other Side of the Coin

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She's being discriminated against, because of her sexuality.
    Unless I missed something, being against gay marriage isn't in any way related to ones sexuality.

    One would think that a hairdress is going to be able to line up a string of witness that are female to show he doesn't just to male haircuts.


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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He discriminated against her because of her creed.
    SSM is banned in New Mexico so it is opposition to the law and her stance on the law and not her..."creed".

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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    She's being discriminated against, because of her sexuality.
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    He discriminated against her because of her creed.

    Could you make up your mind? Looks like you are just trying to throw one liners out there hoping that something - anything - will stick.


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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    "Creed" isn't mentioned in the New Mexico law. Creed to some means a set of fundamental beliefs - that is not protected. You can have a fundamental belief that blacks are bad, you still can't discriminate them as Public Accommodation subject business. Now one could argue that creed is synonymous with "religion" and that would be true.

    28-1-7. Unlawful discriminatory practice.
    F. any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services, facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap, provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or housing accommodation ;

    However the hairdresser would be able to show that he serves many Christians and therefore doesn't discriminate against customers based on religion. The fact that she is a politician though, and that he objects to her position on secular law, is not a protected status.


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    So then a business owner who discriminates against a gay person who supports gay marriage would be ok as long as they refuse service based on that persons support of gay marriage?
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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex marriage* - NY Daily News

    Soooo, here it is, the other side of the coin. For all of you who cheered the veto of the Arizona protection of religion bill, we now have the flip side. Governor Martinez' hairdresser refuses to do business with her any more because of her views on gay marriage. Anyone want to try to defend this bigotry? After all the claims of Equality, it seems that equality really ISN'T the point after all.

    Personally, I'd sue his panties off just to make a point.
    Apparenbtly you missed the boat on the difference between what some one is and what they do. It is an important distinction legally. So good luck with that lawsuit.
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    Re: Gay hair stylist drops New Mexico governor as client because she opposes same-sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    So then a business owner who discriminates against a gay person who supports gay marriage would be ok as long as they refuse service based on that persons support of gay marriage?
    A business is free to refuse to serve people unless the reason is that the people are part of a protected class under the law. What those protected classes are varies in different states and localities.
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