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Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

correct.

The government of crimea invited the russians.

I am just going to guess that russia will spend a lot less money in the ukraine and there will be a lot fewer people killed there than in the usa's misadventure in iraq.

I will also predict that russia will accomplish a lot more in the ukraine than the usa has in iraq.

Does anyone want to argue any of these points?


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Wrong.

Putin's actions actions were preceded by useless words.

Which didn't slow him down.

So far reality has trumped bull****.

Do you expect Obama to suddenly get tough? When you speak softly and have already told everyone you aren't going to use your big stick-whats left?
 
What would the USA gain by going to war with Russia over the Ukraine?

No gains. Only more unnecessary deaths of U.S. Citizens. More unnecessary loss of treasure. More debt. More negative global opinions about the U.S. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now if Obama and Putin wanna square off and duke it out on TV...I'd watch.
 
What would the USA gain by going to war with Russia over the Ukraine?

Thats not the point. The point is that a weak leader who can be read like an open book opens a power vacuum that will be filled with less savory characters like China and Russia. It used to be that when POTUS spoke, nations listened-now they just ignore the US.
 
No gains. Only more unnecessary deaths of U.S. Citizens. More unnecessary loss of treasure. More debt. More negative global opinions about the U.S. Yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now if Obama and Putin wanna square off and duke it out on TV...I'd watch.

Obama would lose.

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Do you expect Obama to suddenly get tough? When you speak softly and have already told everyone you aren't going to use your big stick-whats left?

Are you really under the impression that words were going to change Russia's mind regarding a major strategic asset? Do you people really think such decisions are affected by this high-school level tough-guy bull****?

Maybe that's the problem. Conservatives just never emotionally graduated from high school.
 
Wait a minute now....Dick Durbin has called Putin a bully. Obama took off his jacket, rolled up his sleeves and spent 90 minutes on the phone with Putin begging him to withdraw. Rumor has it that the State Department is drafting a stern letter of warning as we speak.

Begging?
Do you expect to be taken seriously?
 
I'm also wondering why the right-wingers think we should attack Russia.

They don't. They know it won't happen so they can safely say it should.
 
Are you really under the impression that words were going to change Russia's mind regarding a major strategic asset? Do you people really think such decisions are affected by this high-school level tough-guy bull****?

Maybe that's the problem. Conservatives just never emotionally graduated from high school.

Words with the ability to back them up are what matter in international diplomacy. With obama's soft talk and already-announced unwillingness to back anything up-whats left?

Its amazing how slow the left is in learning these lessons that are demonstrated over and over again.
 
Thats not the point. The point is that a weak leader who can be read like an open book opens a power vacuum that will be filled with less savory characters like China and Russia. It used to be that when POTUS spoke, nations listened-now they just ignore the US.

Hence the Hungary invasion, Czechoslovakia, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Chechnya, Georgia, Tibet, whatever.
Give it up. The global supremacy of the USA President exists mostly in your dreams.
Reagan did kick ass in Grenada, though.
 
Hence the Hungary invasion, Czechoslovakia, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Chechnya, Georgia, Tibet, whatever.
Give it up. The global supremacy of the USA President exists mostly in your dreams.
Reagan did kick ass in Grenada, though.

You are referring to Soviet satellite states. This is different-the Soviet union is no more and Russia while the big boy on its block, is no USSR.
 
Kerry = Hans Brix
 
You are referring to Soviet satellite states. This is different-the Soviet union is no more and Russia while the big boy on its block, is no USSR.

Korea, Vietnam, Tibet, Georgia, Bosnia? Soviet satellites?
The US as a global power has always been a matter of potential, never a matter of fact.
 
Words with the ability to back them up are what matter in international diplomacy. With obama's soft talk and already-announced unwillingness to back anything up-whats left?

Its amazing how slow the left is in learning these lessons that are demonstrated over and over again.

Ahh, so what action do you think we should take? Attack Russia?
 
Ahh, so what action do you think we should take? Attack Russia?

The US should lead the opposition to this act of war (yes, invading a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity is considered an act of war) with economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia. Get everyone on record with who they support, including the UN, EU, and Nato to investigate any situation threatening international peace; recommend procedures for peaceful resolution of a dispute; call upon other member nations to completely or partially interrupt economic relations as well as sea, air, postal, and radio communications, or to sever diplomatic relations; and enforce its decisions.

Let Russia come across as the brutish invaders and reap the repercussions, they are the ones who have sent militias across the border. Basically, the US needs to lead the world into making it more expensive (politically or otherwise) to stay in Ukraine. France, the UK, and the US will stand together, but how China responds will also be key.

The point here, is that one nation can not invade another, and there are going to be those who do something about it-and those that dont. We are at a distinct disadvantage with a weak president who not only advertises his unwillingness to use force but also has squandered his political capital at home and abroad. An actual leader wouldn't even be in this mess=Obama's foreign policy has been appallingly bad.
 
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The US should lead the opposition to this act of war (yes, invading a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity is considered an act of war) with economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia.
Yet GOP Senators and House members sent out mixed signals all weekend, further undercutting Mr. Obama's position, as they did with Syria.
Rep. Rogers wants to take the Navy off the table and not send them to the Black Sea.
Sen. Rubio wants air strikes off the table.
Putin sees ten GOP Chiefs and one little Obama Indian with GOP undermining .
 
Yet GOP Senators and House members sent out mixed signals all weekend, further undercutting Mr. Obama's position, as they did with Syria.
Rep. Rogers wants to take the Navy off the table and not send them to the Black Sea.
Sen. Rubio wants air strikes off the table.
Putin sees ten GOP Chiefs and one little Obama Indian with GOP undermining .

You are trying to spin this into a problem for the GOP? Seriously thats rich. Obama's at the wheel-one president at a time and all that-own it.

Im betting Obama wishes he hadn't stabbed Poland in the back right about now, he cancelled the missile shield that was to be built because of Russia-but thats what weak leaders do. YOU, should do some reading.

http://www.clingendael.nl/sites/default/files/20110300_haas_doctrine.pdf
 
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