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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hardly. What I do trust is the facts we know.

    1) Crimea was handed over to the Ukraine in the 1950s. Before that it was Russian. Hell the people of Genoa have a better claim to Crimea than Ukraine (it was their colony for hundreds of years)
    So? Crimea is part of Ukraine now. By your logic since the Danish government surrendered Denmark to the Germans in WW2 then the Germans have a right to it. Thats how stupid your logic is.

    2) The population of Crimea is mostly Russian, speaks Russian and associates it self with Russia.
    Crimea is part of Ukraine. What part of that do you not understand?

    4) The new Ukrainian government claims a lot of things, but there is no evidence to back these claims up. And in some cases there is actually the opposite... as with this supposed threat from the Russian government to surrender.
    Do you watch the news? Russian troops have surrounded Ukrainian military bases and taken over government buildings.

    5) The Ukrainians have tried many times go back on their deal with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Why is that?
    Whatever the Ukrainians do is their business, Sevastopol was leased to the Russians, they dont own it.

    Again how can you violate national sovereignty of a country in an specific area only, where you are the one that has always been in full control.. either directly or indirectly through local government that sympathises with you?
    You seem to have a hard time understanding that Crimea is part of Ukrainian territory, do you believe Ukraine is a separate country or not?

    Look at this way.. if say Texas was ordered by the Federal government to cede powers to Washington.. dont you think they would rebel also?
    That has got to be the dumbest analogy ever. TX is part of the US and has got very good Congressional representation in the Fed government, I must question your IQ as to the reason why you even brought this up.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Video of the shooting can be seen here...
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151917315347217

    And it appears Russia has sent jets to the turkish border.
    The Russians are also ignoring the Geneva Conventions, though that may seem a minor point at this time.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And it fell apart for you because you dont seem to know history. The Crimea has always been a battle ground, but over the last 200 or so years it has been for the most part the Russians that controlled it. Now in the 1950s under the Soviet Union, the area was moved over to the Ukraine for some insane reason, despite the fact that it had no cultural or linguistic links to the Ukraine. The area remained mostly Russian despite this move.
    Again, it doesnt matter what its past is or what its ethnic makeup is. Crimea is an autonomous region that is part of Ukraine not Russia, you seem to have a hard time understanding that.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    But they have not taken over the territory.. the Russians do NOT control the Crimea. They have taken some strategic points yes, but it is the Crimean's themselves that control most of the territory. That they are allied with the Russians is also just a fact, and can lead to the confusion that the Russians have taken over everything... the locals after all speak Russian.
    The troops surrounding the few Ukrainian units are Russian and the Russians admit that.

    Russia: Troops In Ukraine <em>Defending</em> Russians

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Monday justified the use of Russian troops streaming into neighboring Ukraine's Crimea region as a necessary protection for his country's citizens living there.

    The use of Russian troops is necessary "until the normalization of the political situation" in Ukraine, Lavrov said at an opening of a month-long session of the U.N. Human Rights Council in Geneva.

    "This is a question of defending our citizens and compatriots, ensuring human rights, especially the right to life," Lavrov said.

    See the difference in uniforms? Are you telling me that the better equipped soldiers in the foreground are Crimean Russians who just happen to have body armor, combat helmets and assault rifles that they bought off a store? Your lies are so silly its funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU
    Well ...... there has been rhetoric going on about invading Mexico, laying land minds and what not.. hardly the best of relations between parts of your population and the Spanish speaking population.
    Tell me when that actually happens in real life rather than your own deluded fantasies.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Bush paid lip service to helping the people of Iraq. If you honestly think that really entered into the decision to invade, I got a bridge with your name all over it pal. A fake WMD program that was sold to the American people as a very real and very threatening WMD program. Smoking gun, mushroom cloud, that line of lies."Hate-based." More like "reality-based." Do you think the people of Iraq are better off now than they were under Saddam? The hundreds of people a month getting blown to smithereens by suicide bombers might disagree. Containment and sanctions against Saddam were working.
    Why not do some research before you post?

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL more excuses. I understand fully what sovereign is, and that includes the right to have a dictator.
    That has got to be the best line of 2014 so far! There should be a place to keep crazy posts like this for a year-end review.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why not supply a link to one of those sources to support your claims?
    Because junior isnt living in the here and now.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Russians are also ignoring the Geneva Conventions, though that may seem a minor point at this time.
    Not at all, friend. Some things are worth fighting for- but they involve you admitting it.

    Let us not engage in europhile politics in such matters. For they think they set the standard.

    I will never count on brits, but I will value their response.

    On a separate, west la note I will say...CALL YHA MUTHAAA!

    I intend no political leverage.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why not do some research before you post?
    Because emotion trumps all.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Russians are also ignoring the Geneva Conventions, though that may seem a minor point at this time.


    GW Bush (the first torturor) burned that document (Geneva Convention). You know, lie, invade, pillage, pocket big profit, torture, kill, mayhem, chaos, and keep sayin' yo' hepin' the po' Iraqis. Is Putin using GW Bush's (the First Liar) playbook. Don't think so. No citizens have died in the Crimea. Putin didn't even claim the Crimeans have WMD. Whatsamatter that Putin, can't he copy the first moron, GW Bush, at these tricky International energy junctions?

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    GW Bush (the first torturor) burned that document (Geneva Convention). You know, lie, invade, pillage, pocket big profit, torture, kill, mayhem, chaos, and keep sayin' yo' hepin' the po' Iraqis. Is Putin using GW Bush's (the First Liar) playbook. Don't think so. No citizens have died in the Crimea. Putin didn't even claim the Crimeans have WMD. Whatsamatter that Putin, can't he copy the first moron, GW Bush, at these tricky International energy junctions?
    Wow! It's still all about George Bush!

    Can't you or Monte ever supply links to support your wild accusations and assumptions rather than using this as a forum to release pent up emotions acquired from some other troubling source?

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