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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In the case of Syria, that is not true. The SNC made clear its intention for a transitional democratic government with human rights.
    I'm aware of informal remarks, but nothing formal and certainly no declarations or other formal documents to that end. Moreover, I'm not aware of any commitments to respect the interests of major regional U.S. allies, including Israel and its security needs.

    Leaving Syria to burn is a weak and unforgivable move by the West.
    Alternatives to U.S. military intervention existed but were not seriously pursued. One option was a total arms embargo to all the parties when the first violence began breaking out. At that time, the lack of weapons created a large barrier to widespread conflict. That option wasn't pursued. Instead, each side's backers poured weapons into Syria, both directly and indirectly and parties with varied interests (Shia states on one side and Sunni states on the other, along with non-state actors) played a leading role. As a result, each of what became warring parties pursued maximum demands. They increasingly became uncompromising and saw outcomes as mutually exclusive. Assad insisted that the oppostion were terrorists who had no place in Syria's political future. His foes insisted that he and his government had no place in Syria's future. Preconditions were established, diplomacy was suffocated, and the possibility of a political settlement destroyed with both the dictator and his foes partners in that crime. Both parties also engaged in massive brutality and crimes against humanity, only inhibited by the limits of their capabilities.

    It astounds me that some who would tacitly support gassing the capital cry out against Russia in Ukraine, as if anything of the sort has happened.
    I don't support Russia's actions in Crimea. I also don't support the brutality that has occurred in Syria. Syria's civilian population, not any of the warring combatants, are the victims of its sectarian conflict. Both Assad and his foes are the co-authors of Syria's terrible human tragedy. Neither of the warring parties deserves much sympathy.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I'm aware of informal remarks, but nothing formal and certainly no declarations or other formal documents to that end.
    The SNC has always and does declare intentions of democracy in Syria. I don't know who has told you otherwise. Go to their website, ask any Western government. Check the wiki.

    Both Assad and his foes are the co-authors of Syria's terrible human tragedy. Neither of the warring parties deserves much sympathy.
    You continue to ignore the SNC.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    But then who were those people in Independence Square being shot by the police?
    Please show the links regarding the people being shot. The first few days of protests, the police were unarmed and many police were injured and simply listed as injured in Western Media as if it were protestors that were injured. After rocks, firebombing (molotov cocktails) and some shootings the Police were armed and started shooting back. It is very likely that a rogue element of protestors was responsible for the firebombing, rock throwing, shootings and molotov cocktails, but you will not hear that from the "Mighty Wurlitzer," the mainstream media presstitutes that frame the USA news.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Please show the links regarding the people being shot. The first few days of protests, the police were unarmed and many police were injured and simply listed as injured in Western Media as if it were protestors that were injured. After rocks, firebombing (molotov cocktails) and some shootings the Police were armed and started shooting back. It is very likely that a rogue element of protestors was responsible for the firebombing, rock throwing, shootings and molotov cocktails, but you will not hear that from the "Mighty Wurlitzer," the mainstream media presstitutes that frame the USA news.
    Yep, that's why Hillary Clinton said for real news, go to Al Jazeera.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Please show the links regarding the people being shot. The first few days of protests, the police were unarmed and many police were injured and simply listed as injured in Western Media as if it were protestors that were injured. After rocks, firebombing (molotov cocktails) and some shootings the Police were armed and started shooting back. It is very likely that a rogue element of protestors was responsible for the firebombing, rock throwing, shootings and molotov cocktails, but you will not hear that from the "Mighty Wurlitzer," the mainstream media presstitutes that frame the USA news.
    Ukraine's bloodiest day: dozens dead as Kiev protesters regain territory from police | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    They tried the peaceful unarmed route, the protesters became violent. They shouldn't have done that. The whole thing sucks and it was for the wishes of half of the Ukrainians because there is about a 50/50 split in the loyalty.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    That Guardian article managed to leave out rock throwing, molotov cocktails (firebombs), and police injuries in Tuesday, and only talks about Thursday, and I repeat, no mention of rock throwing or fire bombing. Do you think they probably just overlooked the firebombing and police injuries? I think not. It's known as framing the News.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That Guardian article managed to leave out rock throwing, molotov cocktails (firebombs), and police injuries in Tuesday, and only talks about Thursday, and I repeat, no mention of rock throwing or fire bombing. Do you think they probably just overlooked the firebombing and police injuries? I think not. It's known as framing the News.
    Did you look at the video?

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That Guardian article managed to leave out rock throwing, molotov cocktails (firebombs), and police injuries in Tuesday, and only talks about Thursday, and I repeat, no mention of rock throwing or fire bombing. Do you think they probably just overlooked the firebombing and police injuries? I think not. It's known as framing the News.
    And shooting protesters is called murder.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    They tried the peaceful unarmed route, the protesters became violent. They shouldn't have done that. The whole thing sucks and it was for the wishes of half of the Ukrainians because there is about a 50/50 split in the loyalty.
    Where are you getting your information?

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