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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    You seem to trust whatever the Russians say and do. I bet if they occupied Copenhagen you'd be cheering them on as well.
    Hardly. What I do trust is the facts we know.

    1) Crimea was handed over to the Ukraine in the 1950s. Before that it was Russian. Hell the people of Genoa have a better claim to Crimea than Ukraine (it was their colony for hundreds of years)
    2) The population of Crimea is mostly Russian, speaks Russian and associates it self with Russia.
    3) The Crimea has considerable self rule within Ukraine. This self rule has been under serious threat from especially the people behind the new Kiev government.
    4) The new Ukrainian government claims a lot of things, but there is no evidence to back these claims up. And in some cases there is actually the opposite... as with this supposed threat from the Russian government to surrender.
    5) The Ukrainians have tried many times go back on their deal with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Why is that?

    So two wrongs make a right? Did you just admit that Russia did in fact violate Ukraine's national sovereignty?
    Again how can you violate national sovereignty of a country in an specific area only, where you are the one that has always been in full control.. either directly or indirectly through local government that sympathises with you? You do realize that the government in Kiev has zero control over Crimea right, both before the crisis and now? The elected officials in Crimea and police/para military dont recognize the new Kiev government and feel very threatened by the rise of the new government, of which there are parts that are ultra nationalists and neo nazi.. please note I said some, not all. Considering the previous actions by these people in Kiev over the last 20 years, then I fully understand why the people in the Crimea feel threatened.

    Look at this way.. if say Texas was ordered by the Federal government to cede powers to Washington.. dont you think they would rebel also?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Popular support, in America, for Russian aggression.
    First of all, the people that support what Russia's doing view it as a response to a crisis on their border in a country that they have physical and tangible assets in that need to be secured. Secondly they have significant support amongst Ukrainians, and finally, Russia's action there is not against America, so I doubt you understand the meaning of treason.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Your argument was that Ukraine was a part of Russia about 60 years ago and so Russia can do what it chooses to there, Im simply using your own logic since Germany conquered Denmark a decade earlier.
    And it fell apart for you because you dont seem to know history. The Crimea has always been a battle ground, but over the last 200 or so years it has been for the most part the Russians that controlled it. Now in the 1950s under the Soviet Union, the area was moved over to the Ukraine for some insane reason, despite the fact that it had no cultural or linguistic links to the Ukraine. The area remained mostly Russian despite this move.

    Now in the Danish case, we remained Danish despite the occupation and remained very different than the German occupiers. We did not turn to German and forget our Danish language, and the occupation only lasted 4 years or so. So the whole comparison is... stupid.

    You seem to interpret English differently than I. When I see another countries' military taking over the territory of another thats an invasion in my books, I dont know what you call it over there.
    But they have not taken over the territory.. the Russians do NOT control the Crimea. They have taken some strategic points yes, but it is the Crimean's themselves that control most of the territory. That they are allied with the Russians is also just a fact, and can lead to the confusion that the Russians have taken over everything... the locals after all speak Russian.

    Wow. You definitely have an Orwellian view of things- Ukraine gets invaded and they are trying for war. LOL
    Well some of the rhetoric coming out Kiev and Washington seems to point that way.

    There are Spanish speaking people in America but we dont go to war over it.
    Well ...... there has been rhetoric going on about invading Mexico, laying land minds and what not.. hardly the best of relations between parts of your population and the Spanish speaking population.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I believe the Ukrainian troops were unarmed and attempting to develop dialogue with the Russians...Commander to commander.
    They were. There was 3-6 Russian's being approach by 20+ unarmed Ukrainians. A few warning shots were fired when the Ukrainians refused to stop.

    They were likely trying to find a diplomatic way to protect their families (who are on the base), and diffuse a bad situation.
    According to the reports, they wanted to get their jobs back. Now I dont know if they had been laid off by the government in Kiev, the local pro-Russian government, or kicked out by the Russian military.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    When I see another countries' military taking over the territory of another thats an invasion in my books, I dont know what you call it over there.
    So, US had been invading several countries these years?!
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Kerry is a decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam era. He is definitely not a coward and you probably confused him with the first coward GW Bush (AWOL/deserter?). I think he is a sellout of the scumbag variety to even carry the USA gov't litany of lies regarding Ukraine. We caused the unconstitutional coup with CIA intrigue and all you have to do to prove it is listen to Victoria Nuland's voice stating their man would be "Yats" after the coup is completed. Gee,, what a coinky-dink that she would utter the name of the new leader 3 weeks before the event. Wowser, deja vu, familiar spirits, or CIA inside information. Gosh, just what could it be?
    But then who were those people in Independence Square being shot by the police?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    First of all, the people that support what Russia's doing view it as a response to a crisis on their border in a country that they have physical and tangible assets in that need to be secured. Secondly they have significant support amongst Ukrainians, and finally, Russia's action there is not against America, so I doubt you understand the meaning of treason.
    The people who spin it in Russia's favor are the folks that hate America and want to see Russia take t lead on the world stage. They're also the same people who would sabotage America--if given the chance--in a war with Russia.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The people who spin it in Russia's favor are the folks that hate America and want to see Russia take t lead on the world stage. They're also the same people who would sabotage America--if given the chance--in a war with Russia.
    Lies, why are you so bitter. No Americans hate America. Some of us hate Americas foreign policy. You should stop the spin. We would prefer there is no war with Russia, you on the other hand want to park a carrier fleet in the Black Sea and provoke one.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    so I doubt you understand the meaning of treason.
    Why do you hate America you Communist? Don't you know us true blue good white male American-born Protestant secular liberal patriots who most certainly are not fat have no need for your "definitions" or "logical thought" or "intelligence". Those are all Communist America-hating fat lies.

    Now go away you fat Communist.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They were. There was 3-6 Russian's being approach by 20+ unarmed Ukrainians. A few warning shots were fired when the Ukrainians refused to stop.



    According to the reports, they wanted to get their jobs back. Now I dont know if they had been laid off by the government in Kiev, the local pro-Russian government, or kicked out by the Russian military.
    I cannot find these "Reports"...please help me to be informed.

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