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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    hahaha

    It's so pointless to bother with some.
    I am serious.. either you remove all dictators world wide or you accept that each country has the right to self determination and yes that includes keeping a brutal dictator in power. Either you actively start going after every single dictator or politician that wants/acts like one, or you let countries do what they want within their own borders. Now which is it?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am serious.. either you remove all dictators world wide or you accept that each country has the right to self determination and yes that includes keeping a brutal dictator in power. Either you actively start going after every single dictator or politician that wants/acts like one, or you let countries do what they want within their own borders. Now which is it?
    Sir, you have the right to a dictator. I suggest you exercise that right at the earliest opportunity. Thank you and have a nice day.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Krauthammer had a good line. "The admin that thinks climate change is our biggest security threat is shocked that Russia is interested in territory." I guess Obama learned what a geo-political threat is.


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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I have doubts of both sides, and in fact admit I do not know....just as yourself I am left to supposition based on limited data. From what I have been able to gather, the local troops are not cooperating, they are captive in place. I had not heard of the defection to Russia....I thought it was to Crimea.

    And, the officers he asked to join him rejected the plea.
    Well that airbase where the "first shot" was given, it seems that the Ukrainian men wanted their jobs back, and are now cooperating with the Russians.

    As for the defection

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26410431

    I dont know what information is coming to American news viewers, but I suspect it is rather selective when it comes to what is actually happening and very pro Kiev and anti Russian.. that is the usual bull**** coming from American media. Now I despise Putin but the real question is would you rather have the devil you know, than the devil you dont? On that front Putin and Russia do have a point.. there some elements of the Ukranian opposition that are not exactly kosher (yes that is a pun since they are anti-semitc racists).

    Fact is the situation on Crimea is hardly black and white. You have the new government in Kiev trying to assert its power over a part of Ukraine that has a lot of self determination. The same people that are in the new government tried not long ago to curb this self determination and that has resulted in some of (if not a majority) the local police, para-military and other security forces to jump ship and pledge intelligence to the Russian back locally elected parliament and Prime Minister. Hell there is a story that some of these forces were actually dismissed by the people in Kiev and are now demanding their jobs back.. see the airbase incident.

    It is basically a huge mess, and the fire is being fanned from all sides including the US and the US right wing. Some commentators here in Europe are pointing out that the rhetoric coming from Washington is more designed for the domestic politics that actual real world politics, since the US has very little trade with Russia in the first place and any sanctions or visa restrictions would probably hurt the US more than Russia.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sir, you have the right to a dictator. I suggest you exercise that right at the earliest opportunity. Thank you and have a nice day.
    It is funny coming from a country where they have friendly dictators and allow them to live on.. but when the dictator is not friendly any more, then it is off with his head. How about butting out of other countries affairs? Would work wonders around the world.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    I get so confused. We are suppose to get involved in this one, but not get involved in Syria/Iraq Insurgency/Central Africa/South Sudan?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am serious.. either you remove all dictators world wide or you accept that each country has the right to self determination and yes that includes keeping a brutal dictator in power. Either you actively start going after every single dictator or politician that wants/acts like one, or you let countries do what they want within their own borders. Now which is it?
    Holy ****. I agree with PeteEU. Someone take away my Koolaid.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you really lack the self awareness capacity to realize you are demonizing the "other"? And doing so to a most pathetic end. How is it that you expect your fellow man to be such a disgusting scoundrel, while you argue for genocide. How does that happen? I tell ya, pal, it sure is ugly from the outside.
    The fact that you're dishonest enough to claim I am "arguing for genocide" tells me all I need to know about you.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is funny coming from a country where they have friendly dictators and allow them to live on.. but when the dictator is not friendly any more, then it is off with his head. How about butting out of other countries affairs? Would work wonders around the world.
    ... If you cannot afford a dictator, one will be appointed by the court. We would appreciate your cooperation and expect a complete cessation of exercising of any rights.

    Good day.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He starved 400k children, selling food-from-oil proceeds to neighboring countries, in the couple years before the war. He institutionalized rape. I suppose that's also "working"?

    Nothing was working in Iraq. Not for a long time.
    True enough, but it's working a lot worse now. Saddam was a horrible man, but the region is worse off with him gone. We're not talking about a part of the world that has its **** together. You really think Iran would be trying to go nuclear with Saddam right next door? They tried it once, and they shut the program down.
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