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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, I'm just saying there's no consensus. The country has a split loyalty.
    The US has split loyalty on many things. There is also law and Constitution that is SUPPOSED to be followed.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again Crimea was Russia up to 1954. And the Russians are not a minority in Crimea.. they are the huge majority.
    That was over half a century ago. Go back 60 years and Denmark was a part of the greater German Reich, perhaps the Danes should give it over to Germany.

    Crimea has their own legislative and have considerable self-rule. The government in Kiev has been slowly but surely chipping away at that self rule, which is part of the over all problem.
    So? That does not justify invasion by another country.

    It is all paranoia, I dont deny that. But politically the Ukrainian nationalists want Sevastopol and the Russian Black Sea fleet, because they see it as Ukraine's since the fall of the Soviet Union. They also were not happy when the Ukraine gave up its nukes.
    Paranoia is no justification for war.

    And anyone with half a brain also can see that they could just as well be Russian Ukrainians serving in the Ukrainian military/police... since they have the same uniforms. It is in no way as simple as you want it to be and has nothing to do with the Russian propaganda machine.
    Wrong. Ukrainian army has different camos and different helmets.

    Fact is the Crimea has been run by the Russian speaking population there for decades, so their own police and para-military units not only look Russian but speak Russian.
    Name one paramilitary unit that was operating in Crimea which is not controlled by Ukraine prior to this incident please. The only troops with military weapons in Crimea prior to this was either Russian military or Ukrainian military.

    You seem to have eaten the propaganda coming out of Kiev. You do know that the Ukrainian Navy Chief has pledged his and his fleets allegiance to the Russians right? Why would local troops not do the same? Ever think of that?
    I dont see what that has to do with an invasion.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    at what point do we address the weakness russia is showing in its aggressive approach to dealing with the ukraine
    How do you plan to address that? They are going to do what they want because they dont fear the repercussions. It still boils down to fear of military action, even today in the world.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    No but this was.... apparently GW's "Grave Concern" gave Putin the wrong message. Why else would he have though he could get away with it? He should have yelled "bring it on" and nuked his ass. We would all probably be dead but at least he would have showed some balls.



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    Im sorry, its 6 years later. Obama is the President. We dont have time machines. What now?

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong, this has happened many times.

    Didn't the USA invade Iraq in 2003 and aren't we still paying for this?
    Very different reasons are involved. Technically we "invaded" Japan in WW2.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nah...what sickens you is the fact your guy looks so ****ing feeble and you have to defend him.
    Obama appears a chump when it matters-it has to bother them. Expect lots of BUSH!!!!

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Russia has not invaded Ukraine. How can you invade a country where you already had 20+k troops, military bases and so on and there is an agreement for this?

    And ultimately what can the west do.. nothing that is with in a sane world. Of course we could nuke em, but why end the world now when we are having so much fun destroying it?
    Simply incorrect. And they have told the Ukrainian military to surrender, or face military action. The deadline has already expired...

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

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    Ukraine aint a member of the EU......
    They want to be-but Russias dictator wont let them go so easily.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, I am saying you cant "invade" a country if you already are there. And it has not been confirmed that they are Russian troops.. you seem to forget that over 90% of the population in the Crimea are Russian speaking and culturally Russian.
    Simply untrue. When they move out of previously agreed bases and capture govt buildings, and make ultimatums to surrounded forces-it indeed in an invasion.

    On March 3, more than 500 opponents of the new authorities in Kiev attempted to seize the Odessa Regional State Administration building.[167][168] They demanded that a referendum on the establishment of an "Odessa Autonomous Republic" be held.[167] As the protesters began to break windows and enter the building, Oblast Chairman and Party of Regions official Mykola Leonidovych Skoryk spoke to the crowd, saying that the police could not allow an "assault" on the RSA, and that Ukrainians "must live peacefully in a single state." Protesters shouted "traitor!" and "Judas!" at him.[167] Meanwhile, Reuters reports that anti-Kiev protesters have broken into the first floor of the Donetsk RSA building.[169]

    According to Ukrainian officials, Ukrainian troops stationed in Crimea were urged to surrender by 4 March at 5 a.m. (0300 GMT) or face an armed confrontation via an ultimatum issued by Alexander Vitko, the commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.[170] This ultimatum was however denied by Russian officials.[171]

    On the same day, Russian soldiers seized a ferry terminal in the city of Kerch, the easternmost point of Crimea.[55]
    2014 Crimean crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by north korean View Post
    Yes, Russia is using force to solve the issue, but what else it can do? They are desperate.
    The Russians have been feeling betrayed by the West since the end of the cold war, when most Russians wanted to join the West, later only found that the Western politicians, instead of helping and encouraging reconciliation between the West and Russia and between former USSA members, still treat Russian as "No1 foe" and explore the differences between Russians and ethnic groups and incite "new revolutions" to further weaken Russia.
    Russians never blame everything on the West, they know the long historical reasons for the conflict, but when any bias and unfairness from the West on Russia's national interest just remind them of Bosnia, Kosovo, Georgia....
    Russians no longer trust the West, so this time they feel the urgency to use force to resolve the issue once for all.
    Russia's the victim here-got it.

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