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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I thought we were talking about your dissatisfaction with Obama on the Ukraine?
    Failure to so much as show up at your security council meeting on the Ukraine IS about the Ukraine.Making threatening comments IS about the Ukraine. Consistently foolish and amateur political responses across the board IS about Ukraine. Banging the drums of revolution in Egypt, Libya, and other countries while then ignoring the 'cause' in allied states like SA and Bahrain IS about Ukraine.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What treaty? The proposed closer link to the EU? Of course it was an European aka EU thing. The US had nothing to do with it, nor should it. The Ukrainians, some at least, wanted closer ties to the EU. They reached out, and a deal was made over years.. many years. Then the Ukrainians, well some of them, decided no and the rest of the country rebelled.. that is the situation.



    It is in the context. People keep saying that Russia has the EU by the balls... they dont, it is actually the other way around and we can see it already in the markets.



    As in negotiate with a sovereign nation over trade? Of course.

    Typical. Messing around, you mean, without a clue to damage they could cause nor a second thought. And when the damage is done and the guys that trusted them are hurting, it was not their fault, but those that got hurt. Remember Greece or the German unemployed after joining the euro? Same shameless behavior.
    And now you think it was the Ukrainians, the Americans, the Russian has lost his grip on reality the German chancellor says? Anyone is at fault but the Eurocrats? Sure.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Failure to so much as show up at your security council meeting on the Ukraine IS about the Ukraine.
    We've heard this exact line from you in past days.
    It still has ZERO meaning.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    We've heard this exact line from you in past days.
    It still has ZERO meaning.

    Me, I would start an economic 'blockade' toot sweet.
    Frankly, I believe 'you' would do a better job than him...and I mean that sincerely.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    None of that is the issue whatsoever.

    The issue is that the Ukraine government gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for a vow that we would protect the integrity of their borders. It turns out that was a chump move in which Russia, the USA and Britain tricked the Ukraine government into vulnerability to invasion and conquest - which has now happened.

    There is no possible disarmament or non-nuclear proliferation agreement to be reached with any country in the future as it has been proven it is just a trick to try to convince the leader and country to voluntarily expose themselves to invasion. Why would any country make an agreement to not develop and keep nuclear weapons knowing such an agreement is worthless?

    That is the issue, not the Crimea. Care to argue with that?



    I don't have a crystal ball but I'll bet that Russia won't be leaving the Crimean peninsula or any other majority-Russian part of the Ukraine anytime soon.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Failure to so much as show up at your security council meeting on the Ukraine IS about the Ukraine.Making threatening comments IS about the Ukraine. Consistently foolish and amateur political responses across the board IS about Ukraine. Banging the drums of revolution in Egypt, Libya, and other countries while then ignoring the 'cause' in allied states like SA and Bahrain IS about Ukraine.
    Yes, agreed, but in you're post that I quoted, you were talking about Syria. I'm no defender of Obama's foreign policy, I just don't think there was anything he could do overtly in Syria, nor do I think there is anything he could or should do in Ukraine. And I'm definitely not interested in getting into a military confrontation with Russia. And I totally agree with you about Obama's hypocrisy regarding SA and Bahrain.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Solely because we wish we had a POTUS with stones like his, instead of the craisins ours sports.
    No, what's really happening is that you guys know full well that there's no good outcome to US military action here. You know full well that the best course (well, only course really) the US can take is to issue disapproving diplomatic statements, get fellow NATO members to do the same, and put forward economic sanctions. Which is exactly what's happening.

    You know all of this, but Obama is doing it so you have to find a way to be mad about it. So you've invented a fantasy where someone who looks tougher could totally just have talked Russia out of securing a major strategic asset.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't have a crystal ball but I'll bet that Russia won't be leaving the Crimean peninsula or any other majority-Russian part of the Ukraine anytime soon.
    Do you mean to say they won't be bringing their military back home?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, but we won in Iraq.

    Would you care to explain your POV, using technical and tactical information? Or, are you going to insist on forming an opinion from an uninformed position?
    We could not win againist the insurgents in Iraq, because we could not win over the support of the population.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We could not win againist the insurgents in Iraq, because we could not win over the support of the population.
    We neutralized the insurgents. We didn't win the support of the population in Japan and Germany, either.
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