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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Asked a different way. Do you think Obama should be putting our troops up for Ukraine?
    Already posted my answer to that. No.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'm not going to talk up Russia or their actions here. It's not a system I would want to live with, nor do I particularly like Putin at all. But he is a very strong politician, much in the mold of our greatest presidents.

    As to the Ukraine issue, it's a tricky question and I'm not familiar enough with what locals think as to ownership and country. Heck, wasn't too long ago the US went down to Panama and ousted the government there because we had "interests".
    And it's been defended. In the case of Ukraine, civilians, and not all because the country is split pretty much down the middle, ousted the government and seized control. No government that could repel such action would hesitate too, including the US. Russia has physical tangible assets in the Ukraine that require securing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Already posted my answer to that. No.
    Gotcha, I just saw that!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    58% isn't a huge majority.
    It is not 58%, it is much more. At the last election something like 89% voted for the pro-Russian candidate.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I am not quite clear, what you want to say. The USA was okay with the Europeans handling the security in their area. They wanted them to. So the treaty that lead to the present situation was a European thing. It was not the Americans.
    What treaty? The proposed closer link to the EU? Of course it was an European aka EU thing. The US had nothing to do with it, nor should it. The Ukrainians, some at least, wanted closer ties to the EU. They reached out, and a deal was made over years.. many years. Then the Ukrainians, well some of them, decided no and the rest of the country rebelled.. that is the situation.

    And the other stuff might be interesting in another context.
    It is in the context. People keep saying that Russia has the EU by the balls... they dont, it is actually the other way around and we can see it already in the markets.

    So again: Did the EU understand, what it was doing or not?
    As in negotiate with a sovereign nation over trade? Of course.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is not 58%, it is much more. At the last election something like 89% voted for the pro-Russian candidate.
    That doesn't prove anything! LOL!!

    Here, let me educate you...

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Our expeirance In Iraq.
    Ok, but we won in Iraq.

    Would you care to explain your POV, using technical and tactical information? Or, are you going to insist on forming an opinion from an uninformed position?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No! If they occupy the place for a decade, kill a couple hundred thousand civilians, waste a trillion dollars of their treasure, get several thousand of their soldiers killed, and then leave the place in ruin. Only a war hawk would call that winning.
    Hell by that logic, we lost WW2, as well. We've occupied Japan for 70 years, killed millions of civilians and spent well over a trillion dollars.


    Do you people just say this kind of stuff to yank peoples's chains, or do you really believe what you're saying?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Russians murdered 40 million people in the 20th Century. Something basically wrong with that.
    I meant modern Russia.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I meant modern Russia.
    When did "modern Russia" begin? What ever date is most convenient to support your weak argument?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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