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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Which clearly was ok, since the majority of the population of Sudentenland was German already.
    I suppose he'd be OK with North Korea invading South Korea since there's a Korean majority in it too.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I wonder if the EU didn't know how the Russian population felt and Putin would probably react or whether they understood the implications of their treaty proposal.
    That is a whole other story. The EU did, just as the US did.

    Now the funny or interesting thing is, that much of Russian wealth is actually in the EU. It is in London, Austria, Germany, in banks and real estate and so on. Now the question is if the EU starts to freeze these assets or seize them, then will Putin be able to keep his backers in check.. And you also have to remember that the only reason that the Russian budget is in balance is the oil price.. anything under 100 bucks a barrel and Putin starts to bleed money. I mean Putin can cut off the gas to Europe.. well we are in a warm winter so /shrug. But we can hurt him and his mafia friends by seizing the 100s of billions and 100s of billions they have smuggled out of Russia over the last 20 years.

    There are far more grey areas that are not talked about, but are just as important.

    In the end I suspect cool heads will prevail. I suspect the Crimea will get to vote on which country they want to be part off, and Ukraine gets money and gas from Russia as compensation and is left to do what it wants. This of course is all dependent on that there is no attacks or discrimination against the remaining Russian minority in Ukraine.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The US should lead the opposition to this act of war (yes, invading a sovereign nation and its territorial integrity is considered an act of war) with economic and diplomatic sanctions against Russia. Get everyone on record with who they support, including the UN, EU, and Nato to investigate any situation threatening international peace; recommend procedures for peaceful resolution of a dispute; call upon other member nations to completely or partially interrupt economic relations as well as sea, air, postal, and radio communications, or to sever diplomatic relations; and enforce its decisions.

    Let Russia come across as the brutish invaders and reap the repercussions, they are the ones who have sent militias across the border. Basically, the US needs to lead the world into making it more expensive (politically or otherwise) to stay in Ukraine. France, the UK, and the US will stand together, but how China responds will also be key.

    The point here, is that one nation can not invade another, and there are going to be those who do something about it-and those that dont. We are at a distinct disadvantage with a weak president who not only advertises his unwillingness to use force but also has squandered his political capital at home and abroad. An actual leader wouldn't even be in this mess=Obama's foreign policy has been appallingly bad.
    The US, UK, And France at boycotting the G8 until Russia is either booted or pulls out of Ukraine. Russia being out of G8 means they can't veto a sanction.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Stop making stupid comments he cant back up. Stop threatening red lines and wars in the first place. Stop making empty vapid threats built on rhetoric. Act or dont but stop with the pretense you are. If you want credibility as a diplomat and statesman than BE one. Engage world leaders. Stop being a ****ing clown. This is Syria redux and the world is laughing at him.
    You sure are obsessed over appearances. Who gives a **** if someone is laughing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Stop making stupid comments he cant back up. Stop threatening red lines and wars in the first place. Stop making empty vapid threats built on rhetoric. Act or dont but stop with the pretense you are. If you want credibility as a diplomat and statesman than BE one. Engage world leaders. Stop being a ****ing clown. This is Syria redux and the world is laughing at him.

    If he said nothing you'd criticise him for that. If he sent our forces, you may like that, but it would be very costly and I wouldn't. Better you're unhappy then me.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You sure are obsessed over appearances. Who gives a **** if someone is laughing?
    Ever seen a bully that didn't get pissed if someone was laughing at him?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Again Crimea was Russia up to 1954. And the Russians are not a minority in Crimea.. they are the huge majority.



    Crimea has their own legislative and have considerable self-rule. The government in Kiev has been slowly but surely chipping away at that self rule, which is part of the over all problem.



    It is all paranoia, I dont deny that. But politically the Ukrainian nationalists want Sevastopol and the Russian Black Sea fleet, because they see it as Ukraine's since the fall of the Soviet Union. They also were not happy when the Ukraine gave up its nukes.



    And anyone with half a brain also can see that they could just as well be Russian Ukrainians serving in the Ukrainian military/police... since they have the same uniforms. It is in no way as simple as you want it to be and has nothing to do with the Russian propaganda machine. Fact is the Crimea has been run by the Russian speaking population there for decades, so their own police and para-military units not only look Russian but speak Russian. You seem to have eaten the propaganda coming out of Kiev. You do know that the Ukrainian Navy Chief has pledged his and his fleets allegiance to the Russians right? Why would local troops not do the same? Ever think of that?
    58% isn't a huge majority.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The US, UK, And France at boycotting the G8 until Russia is either booted or pulls out of Ukraine. Russia being out of G8 means they can't veto a sanction.
    Russia will quickly secure the country, install a friendly government and be gone. If the US went in, it would cost a trillion dollars, kill 4,500 soldiers, take a decade, and when we left it would be in worse shape then when we arrived. Better just let Putin handle this.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Yeah while Kerry is Condemning..... and doing all that talking. Russia just gave the Ukraine until 5am to Surrender.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...post1062991560

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    58% isn't a huge majority.
    Neither is 42%!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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