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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Cool story bro.

    I find it funny that when someone tells you they didn't vote for someone, the hard-core conservatives accuse that person of being a liar.
    I find it funny you want to pretend you arent fully in the bag for Obama. So, I guess we are both starting off the week in high spirits.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't particularly care if he sees me as credible or not.
    Exactly. How does any anonymous person on a talk board have credibility anyways? Everyone does, and no one does. And I don't see where anybody respects anybody else's opinion unless they agree with them, and how easy is that to do!?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Kerry just said "Don't do like we do."
    Isn't that clear though?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...but their people were pressing to be. They ahd already charted a path and created economic ties and were working towards EU membership. Yanukovych chose to abandon the will of the people, cut ties to the EU, and move the Ukraine back to Russia. Thats what has triggered this whole mess. Or have you missed that?
    "Their people's" are split 50/50, so not so fast.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    If we spill out of Guantanamo, into Cuba, that's not an invasion, right?
    There is a massive difference.

    First of all the population of Cuba are not American or even have English as their first language.

    Secondly the Cuban American agreement pre-dates the present Cuban regime but Cuba cant do anything about it. The US is occupying GITMO supposedly legally but in reality you bullied your way to the base when you supported the puppet dictator of Cuba at the time and are paying next to nothing for it.

    Now in the Crimea you an area that was given to the Ukraine in 1954 or so by the Soviets. The population is 90% Russian, the main language is Russian and they have considerable self rule in the first place. They actually dont want to be part of the Ukraine and never have been. There is also an agreement between the Ukraine and Russia for Russian troops to be in the Crimea and operate there pretty much independently because of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

    Crimea = Sudetenland?
    In some ways yes...but with a much much bigger majority of Russians than there was German's in Sudetenland.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Suuuuuure.

    Yeah. You mad. And I dont blame you. It would suck having to defend that ridiculous ****ing circus clown in the WH.

    Its not about being on Putins side...far from it. As has been expressed countless times...Putin is a douchebag. Obama makes him look like a rokstar.
    What is your suggestion that Obama do?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...but their people were pressing to be.
    No, some of their people were pressing to be.

    They ahd already charted a path and created economic ties and were working towards EU membership.
    Yes, but that is far from being a member or even applying to be a member.

    Yanukovych chose to abandon the will of the people, cut ties to the EU, and move the Ukraine back to Russia. Thats what has triggered this whole mess. Or have you missed that?
    Again false. Yanukovych chose not to have deep ties to the EU and instead turn towards Russia. He did not CUT ties to the EU. All he did was not agree to the first step that would eventually maybe have made the Ukraine a member of the EU... 10-20 years down the road. That is what triggered this whole mess.
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    There is a massive difference.

    First of all the population of Cuba are not American or even have English as their first language.

    Secondly the Cuban American agreement pre-dates the present Cuban regime but Cuba cant do anything about it. The US is occupying GITMO supposedly legally but in reality you bullied your way to the base when you supported the puppet dictator of Cuba at the time and are paying next to nothing for it.

    Now in the Crimea you an area that was given to the Ukraine in 1954 or so by the Soviets. The population is 90% Russian, the main language is Russian and they have considerable self rule in the first place. They actually dont want to be part of the Ukraine and never have been. There is also an agreement between the Ukraine and Russia for Russian troops to be in the Crimea and operate there pretty much independently because of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.



    In some ways yes...but with a much much bigger majority of Russians than there was German's in Sudetenland.
    So what's the big problem then?
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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What is your suggestion that Obama do?
    Stop making stupid comments he cant back up. Stop threatening red lines and wars in the first place. Stop making empty vapid threats built on rhetoric. Act or dont but stop with the pretense you are. If you want credibility as a diplomat and statesman than BE one. Engage world leaders. Stop being a ****ing clown. This is Syria redux and the world is laughing at him.

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    Re: Kerry condemns Russia's 'incredible act of aggression' in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So what do you call taking over a region's government buildings with foreign troops then? A picnic?
    First off it has far from been established that it is "foreign" troops. And how can it be "foreign troops" when 90% of the population is Russian?

    Secondly the regional government is actually pro-Russian and according to the reports, the men with guns who took over the buildings, did so to protect them from troops and armed men from Kiev.

    The whole situation is driven by fear and that fear is based on past history. The people in Crimea dont trust Kiev because Kiev has removed and tried to remove even more rights form the area. It use to be very independent from the rest of the Ukraine but Kiev has been for years been pulling back powers. And that has all to do with one thing... the military port of Sevastepol... presently under Russian control and wanted badly by the Ukrainian nationalists. That is what Russia is protecting.

    Funny cause every defense analyst says they are Russian troops, heck even the Russians themselves admit it.

    Russia admits that it has moved troops in Ukraine - Telegraph
    No and no. Russia has admitted it moved some troops to the Crimea yes, but it has not said that those troops have taken over the government buildings or anything else.

    Also the so called analysts are just that.. analysts and often with a hidden agenda, especially the American and British ones. Some are even pushing for war for **** sake..
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