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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So why are Democrats wasting the taxpayers money by evading the light of day?
    Why is I$$A wasting the taxpayers money with all his faux scandals playing politics?
    Why did Dems not do this when Pelosi took over, especially with Iraq and the 'overlap' scandals ?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    So now the right doesn't like a certain 5th amendment.
    Sounds familiar, as with Christie's people .
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So anyone can invoke the fifth at any time during their testimony? That seems to be a very recent interpretation of the law. Do you have a source?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show us your cite for her apology so we know what you are referring to
    Google is great! And so easy. Transcript of Lois Lerner’s Remarks at Tax Meeting Sparking IRS Controversy | Election Law Blog

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    as usual, you are wrong
    she alone gets to make a determination when it is appropriate to invoke her right against self incrimination
    nothing you have posted - or could possibly post - changes that reality
    I can't find anything that would prevent her from invoking the 5th at any point during her testimony. Anything she said before evoking the 5th of course would still be subject to scrutiny.

    But we're really between a rock and a hard place. Further down in this interview is the assertion that an employer (in this case the U.S. government) cannot fire or censure an employee for taking the 5th. Even though the employee is required to cooperate with others in the conduct of his/her duties. Sort of a Catch 22. . . .

    "Knerly: Well Jenna, it has to do with the ethical obligations they have as public employees, and the effect that may have on their Constitutional right against compelled self-incrimination. As public employees, the Standards of Conduct that guide their employment generally require they cooperate with internal investigations into their employment-related conduct. On the one hand, they have a right under the Fifth Amendment to refuse to answer an investigator’s questions when they believe their responses could be used to criminally prosecute them. On the other hand, they could face disciplinary action, including possible termination, for refusing to cooperate. This is sometimes said to put the employee between a rock and a whirlpool.

    Solari: Well, do government employees somehow have less of a Fifth Amendment right than members of the public? Has the Supreme Court addressed that issue?

    Knerly: No court has ever held that the rights guaranteed under our Constitution are different for public employees than for other citizens. As public servants, however, they can, and should, be accountable to the public for the performance of their public duties. When that accountability clashes with their individual Constitutional rights, the courts must strike a balance. Such was the case decided by the Supreme Court in Garrity v. New Jersey, when police officers accused of being involved in a ticket-fixing scheme were ordered by their department to give testimony about their conduct, or be fired if they refused. Their testimony was used to convict them in the scheme. Finding that the testimony obtained under threat of job loss was “compelled” testimony prohibited by the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination, the court held the statements were immune from use in the criminal prosecution, and reversed their convictions.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    So now the right doesn't like a certain 5th amendment.
    Sounds familiar, as with Christie's people .
    A certain fifth amendment? The Fifth is fine but it has certain restrictions. This isn't a right/left situation.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show us your cite for her apology so we
    know what you are referring to
    Hmmm...maybe her ADMITTANCE back in 2012 wasn't exactly a apology.

    Or maybe she did apologize.

    Back when she tried to push it on a couple of rogue agents.

    Did you buy that BS ?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you interested in finding the truth?

    Cummings was cut off because he brought politics into the inquiry, starting with his accusations against the Republican party. This would be better mentioned outside the committee if he feels strongly about the issue, while the media could respond to his accusations. It should not become a forum for political party bickering..
    no, cummings was cut off very soon after he began his remarks
    does issa get to form his questions for him?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hmmm...maybe her ADMITTANCE back in 2012 wasn't exactly a apology.

    Back when she tried to push it on a couple of rogue agents.

    Did you buy that BS ?
    show us her admission
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why is I$$A wasting the taxpayers money with all his faux scandals playing politics?
    Why did Dems not do this when Pelosi took over, especially with Iraq and the 'overlap' scandals ?
    If it's a faux scandal why did she plead the 5th?
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    please show us the text of her apology ... especially since it is so easy for you
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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