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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    If he believes that he is another teflon president, then that would be naive.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    how does pleading the 5th amendment make someone in contempt of congress.
    Refusing to testify is not the same was pleading the 5th. IMO Obama should have fired her after she pleaded the 5th, because only an incompetent dunce could head a govt agency and plead the fifth.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    Many questions of Obama being inept have arisen over the past 12 to 18 months on a range of things...It could very well be the case that he thought he could demagogue the issue enough to get away with it...
    No doubt. It worked for him in the past and still seems to be working among those devoted to Obama, especially with the MSM largely ignoring the issues.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually no, that's not how it works. If they had evidence the claims made in this thread, they'd pull it out and use it at this point. They have suspicion. That's not evidence.



    Ah, that is so far from the operational reality of presenting official evidence in a court or quasi judicial hearing it's hard to know where to start.

    So, a review is in order. She testified. She said lower echelon people were responsible. They said differently in open testimony and obviously more behind closed doors. They recalled Lerner, she invoked the fifth through her lawyer before showing up.

    Now, using some basic deductive logic, why in the world would she do that?

    Other than she has been caught in a lie under oath, or that she suspects they know a lot more, what can it be if not guilt?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    Thank you.



    That's your opinion....Doesn't make it fact.
    And a very credible opinion it is.

    If it turns out that the president actually was behind the IRS scandal, then it will turn out to be an incorrect opinion.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Ah, that is so far from the operational reality of presenting official evidence in a court or quasi judicial hearing it's hard to know where to start.

    So, a review is in order. She testified. She said lower echelon people were responsible in open testimony and obviously more behind closed doors. They recalled Lerner, she invoked the fifth through her lawyer before showing up.

    Now, using some basic deductive logic, why in the world would she do that?

    Other than she has been caught in a lie under oath, or that she suspects they know a lot more, what can it be if not guilt?
    That all falls into place.

    Either Lerner knows more about what went on, enough to incriminate herself and others (possibly a link to the White House?), or if she answers questions, her previous testimony before congress would cause a perjury charge due to inconsistencies (possibly already lied about a possible link leading back to the White House).

    If it's incrimination of herself or others not linked to the White House, not that big a deal. Dole out punishment or pardons and move on.

    It it's reveals a link back to the White House, that would be a huge deal. A Nixonian type huge deal. A Watergate type huge deal.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    That all falls into place.

    Either Lerner knows more about what went on, enough to incriminate herself and others (possibly a link to the White House?), or if she answers questions, her previous testimony before congress would cause a perjury charge due to inconsistencies (possibly already lied about a possible link leading back to the White House).

    If it's incrimination of herself or others not linked to the White House, not that big a deal. Dole out punishment or pardons and move on.

    It it's reveals a link back to the White House, that would be a huge deal. A Nixonian type huge deal. A Watergate type huge deal.


    I wonder if the fifth "..incriminate myself" applies to sheltering others?

    That starts down the road of conspiracy which was the hammer the Senate Watergate committee used to break guys like John Dean loose; Woodward kind of painted him a hero when in fact he was facing conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges.

    And it is an absolute in law that in an open hearing, you NEVER ask a question you do not know the answer to before hand, Perry Mason and company are myth. I have sat through to many jury trials as a reporter to know that both sides know every detail long in advance.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I wonder if the fifth "..incriminate myself" applies to sheltering others?

    That starts down the road of conspiracy which was the hammer the Senate Watergate committee used to break guys like John Dean loose; Woodward kind of painted him a hero when in fact he was facing conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges.

    And it is an absolute in law that in an open hearing, you NEVER ask a question you do not know the answer to before hand, Perry Mason and company are myth. I have sat through to many jury trials as a reporter to know that both sides know every detail long in advance.
    Perry Mason isn't real?

    So, we're not likely to hear a sudden and unexpected confession in open court?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    Refusing to testify is not the same was pleading the 5th. IMO Obama should have fired her after she pleaded the 5th, because only an incompetent dunce could head a govt agency and plead the fifth.
    You think it's OK to punish and fire someone for exercising their Constitutional rights?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    You think it's OK to punish and fire someone for exercising their Constitutional rights?
    I think she's guilty as hell and needs to go to prison.
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