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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, when you use that language, it's an editorial and not a news story. It's steep with opinion and verifiable fact.

    The only failure is you don't like the answer. I tell you what, if you really want to break this down. Pick your single strongest piece of evidence from that "article" and present it. I'll answer it specifically and in detail.
    That's weak Joe, I gave you 8 points....Show what you believe is untrue, or give it up. That's the way this works...
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's weak Joe, I gave you 8 points....Show what you believe is untrue, or give it up. That's the way this works...
    And I showed you the problem. It paints it in an inaccurate light with biased language. It's called slanting. Now, your option is to address that or try to present something you think is true. I'd love to see you do it without the slanted language.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And I showed you the problem. It paints it in an inaccurate light with biased language. It's called slanting. Now, your option is to address that or try to present something you think is true. I'd love to see you do it without the slanted language.
    Oh for God's sake....I'll just take that as your admission that you can't address the points made.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh for God's sake....I'll just take that as your admission that you can't address the points made.
    That would be find if there was such an admission. There isn't. I merely believe you fawn over the slanted language and don't really assess the content. But if you prefer this type of the exchange over putting up, fine. But I'd prefer you systematically made your case and explore each issue.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think you're dreaming. But until we actually see something concrete, it's merely speculation. You do realize you guys have been disappointed a lot when it comes to reaching Obama on these things. You're always thinking there is more there than has ever panned out.
    This type of intimidation politics has ruled Chicago for years and years, and now its in Washington. This is all these people know.

    Now, Rahm Emanuel is considering a run for president to keep the mob party going. That's almost literally akin to electing John Gotti.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    This type of intimidation politics has ruled Chicago for years and years, and now its in Washington. This is all these people know.

    Now, Rahm Emanuel is considering a run for president to keep the mob party going. That's almost literally akin to electing John Gotti.
    That's an over generalization. They make poor arguements. And no, the comparison doesn't work at all. It's just exaggeration.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Looks like Issa's little blow up last week may have some ramifications for Issa's plan to hold Lerner in Contempt.

    The hasty way he adjourned the meeting, not allowing Cummings to offer a proffer to the lawyer (which, as I remarked earlier was Cumming intention of asking to speak -- when Issa cut his microphone) and the correct procedure needed to be used when a witness takes the Fifth and Contempt charges pending was something Issa ("I have an in IQ of a little over a 100") didn't bother to concern himself with.

    "Cummings, citing opinions from two legal experts and “Supreme Court case law,” said Republicans cannot pursue contempt charges against Lerner because of how the committee’s chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), abruptly adjourned a hearing with the former official last week."

    Cummings says Issa killed chances for Lois Lerner contempt proceedings

    The lawyers who wrote the opinion have some cred: Morton Rosenberg, was formerly with the Congressional Research Service, and Stan Brand, b formerly the House of Representatives General Counsel -- and they both say Issa dropped the ball on this one.

    Here's the letter sent to Boehner: http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/uploads/2014-03-12%20EEC%20to%20Speaker%20Boehner.pdf


    Issa “failed to take the basic — but Constitutionally required — steps necessary to hold [Lerner] in contempt."

    Of course Issa's folks reject the legalities presented. Boehner hasn't commented, and it's a new ride and another wicked twist in the How Inept Is Issa Saga.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Looks like Issa's little blow up last week may have some ramifications for Issa's plan to hold Lerner in Contempt.

    The hasty way he adjourned the meeting, not allowing Cummings to offer a proffer to the lawyer (which, as I remarked earlier was Cumming intention of asking to speak -- when Issa cut his microphone) and the correct procedure needed to be used when a witness takes the Fifth and Contempt charges pending was something Issa ("I have an in IQ of a little over a 100") didn't bother to concern himself with.

    "Cummings, citing opinions from two legal experts and “Supreme Court case law,” said Republicans cannot pursue contempt charges against Lerner because of how the committee’s chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), abruptly adjourned a hearing with the former official last week."

    Cummings says Issa killed chances for Lois Lerner contempt proceedings

    The lawyers who wrote the opinion have some cred: Morton Rosenberg, was formerly with the Congressional Research Service, and Stan Brand, b formerly the House of Representatives General Counsel -- and they both say Issa dropped the ball on this one.

    Here's the letter sent to Boehner: http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/uploads/2014-03-12%20EEC%20to%20Speaker%20Boehner.pdf


    Issa “failed to take the basic — but Constitutionally required — steps necessary to hold [Lerner] in contempt."

    Of course Issa's folks reject the legalities presented. Boehner hasn't commented, and it's a new ride and another wicked twist in the How Inept Is Issa Saga.
    Good luck with that.

    Lerners still going to be held in contempt eventually and Issa really didn't do anything wrong.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Let's go with what you imagine is going to happen -- she *is* held in Contempt. ( This has to be voted on by the full House)

    What do you think will happen to her next?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Flash from the Wayback Machine (well, not that way back)
    House Votes to Issue Contempt Citations

    Doug Mills/The New York Times

    Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, at lectern, led Republicans out of the House in protest

    Published: February 15, 2008
    WASHINGTON — The House voted Thursday to issue contempt citations against the White House chief of staff and a former White House counsel for refusing to cooperate in an investigation into the mass firings of federal prosecutors.
    House Vote on Contempt Is Expected Soon


    The vote to hold Joshua B. Bolten, the chief of staff, and Harriet E. Miers, the former counsel, in contempt of Congress followed bitter partisan wrangling on the House floor, including a Republican walkout from the chamber, and moved House Democrats closer to a constitutional showdown with President Bush.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/15/wa...ntempt.html?hp

    In Retrospect Money Quote:

    “We have space on the calendar today for a politically charged fishing expedition but not space for a bill that would protect the American people from terrorists who want to kill us,” said Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, the Republican House leader.

    Mr. Boehner then instructed other Republicans to exit the chamber in protest. “Let’s just get up and leave,” Mr. Boehner said before walking out with scores of his party’s members.

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