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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    False.
    What I don't understand is why we're still dwelling on this. Lerner appeared, she pleaded the Fifth, and that was that. Perhaps she can be repeatedly called back so she can repeatedly plead the Fifth until the end of time, like that makes sense! Don't we have better things to do to occupy our time? This is just another attempt to divert our attention from things the administration doesn't want to discuss, IMO. Sheesh!

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not historic, so no need for hyperbole
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    It's the pattern that's historic and it's not hyperbole

    But, such evidence should be weighted, and if found convincing , appropriate action should be taken. It's really simple.
    Aye, there's the rub.
    Found convincing by whom?

    "Historically" when scandals like this appear to have been proven to most mortal men, the final reaction by partisans can be identified as such when you hear "It's no big deal" or "Both sides do it" or some similar expression ... like, oh I dunno, say, "What difference at this point does it make", comes to mind.

    And THAT's what makes it less than simple.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    First, Lerner was willing to talk - without immunity, in depositions with committee. Issa didn't want that. He wanted the cameras. He wanted the show trial -- it's about the dog and pony show.

    Second, your post excludes the obvious, which is included in your link.

    "[A] prominent white-collar defense lawyer, Robert Luskin of Patton Boggs, said he did the same thing in the face of a highly-partisan congressional probe into the Whitewater matter during the Clinton administration.

    Our view was that the DOJ was genuinely and sincerely interested in an honest and thorough investigation,” while a GOP-led congressional panel wasn’t, said Mr. Luskin. So his client “testified without condition to DOJ and took the Fifth with respect to the committee.”
    Interesting that you pull in a Clinton era quote that has nothing to do with this situation.

    We can infer exactly how serious the DOJ is about this investigation by whom they have assigned to it. An Obama supporter. So that'd be not at all. Most transparent administration in history? Yeah, but not how they promised, nor how everyone took that promise. Stonewalling and continuing to try and bury this is all but too transparent.

    Obama donor leading Justice Department’s IRS investigation - The Washington Post

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    One frequent concern for witnesses appearing before hostile congressional committees: Lawmakers can set perjury traps for them, hoping to trip them up. Mr. Taylor said that wasn’t a concern for Ms. Lerner.
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    Former IRS Official Lerner Gave Interview to DOJ - Washington Wire - WSJ

    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand kangaroo courts -- which is the way Issa is running his "investigation", that start with the premise 'we plan to hang you on high,' and dubiously release cherry picked emails and transcripts (which later turn out to refute what they purport, when seen in whole)
    Doesn't take a 'rocket surgeon' to understand the administration's stonewalling and obfuscation in this matter either. No, the administration want's to bury this, and Lerner is complicit in achieving this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    and especially after that despicable display of Issa shutting off the mic on the ranking minority leader like that...are not about fairness, justice and truth.
    All Cummings was going to do was to rant and continue to obscure. How's that going to further getting to the truth of this matter?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    First,
    Lerner was willing to talk - without immunity, in depositions with committee. Issa didn't want that. He wanted the cameras. He wanted the show trial -- it's about the dog and pony show.

    Second, your post excludes the obvious, which is included in your link.

    "[A] prominent white-collar defense lawyer, Robert Luskin of Patton Boggs, said he did the same thing in the face of a highly-partisan congressional probe into the Whitewater matter during the Clinton administration.

    Our view was that the DOJ was genuinely and sincerely interested in an honest and thorough investigation,” while a GOP-led congressional panel wasn’t, said Mr. Luskin. So his client “testified without condition to DOJ and took the Fifth with respect to the committee.”

    One frequent concern for witnesses appearing before hostile congressional committees: Lawmakers can set perjury traps for them, hoping to trip them up. Mr. Taylor said that wasn’t a concern for Ms. Lerner."

    Former IRS Official Lerner Gave Interview to DOJ - Washington Wire - WSJ

    It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to understand kangaroo courts -- which is the way Issa is running his "investigation", that start with the premise 'we plan to hang you on high,' and dubiously release cherry picked emails and transcripts (which later turn out to refute what they purport, when seen in whole) and especially after that despicable display of Issa shutting off the mic on the ranking minority leader like that...are not about fairness, justice and truth.
    Honestly, what Issa's doing does not equate to a "Kangaroo Court ". Just like your hyperbole doesn't equate to a honest definition of a House Committee's investigation.

    Whether she's behind close doors or whether she's on Camera there should be no reason for her not to testify since "this is just a Kangaroo Court " and there is nothing behind any of these charges.

    In fact, it would be a great opportunity for the Democrats if she shut down Issa's investigation on TV in front of God and Everyone.

    Media outlets would be running it 24/7 right up to the elections.

    Saying she's taking the Fifth because its a Kangaroo Court doesn't make any sense either.

    Why would she want to lend credibillity to Issa's charges with 24 Consecutive 5th Ammendment Pleas ?

    She's not talking because her honest testimony is highly damaging to her and the administration.

    No other explanation fits her testimony or lack there of.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Honestly, what Issa's doing does not equate to a "Kangaroo Court ". Just like your hyperbole doesn't equate to a honest definition of a House Committee's investigation.

    Whether she's behind close doors or whether she's on Camera there should be no reason for her not to testify since "this is just a Kangaroo Court " and there is nothing behind any of these charges.

    In fact, it would be a great opportunity for the Democrats if she shut down Issa's investigation on TV in front of God and Everyone.

    Media outlets would be running it 24/7 right up to the elections.

    Saying she's taking the Fifth because its a Kangaroo Court doesn't make any sense either.

    Why would she want to lend credibillity to Issa's charges with 24 Consecutive 5th Ammendment Pleas ?

    She's not talking because her honest testimony is highly damaging to her and the administration.

    No other explanation fits her testimony or lack there of.
    My thinking as well.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wow, I'm shocked. No evidence, so insult. Not only insult, but a generalization as well. Who would have predicted this response?
    Oh cry me a river. It's a bitch when your own tactics are used against you isn't it.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Honestly, what Issa's doing does not equate to a "Kangaroo Court ". Just like your hyperbole doesn't equate to a honest definition of a House Committee's investigation.

    Whether she's behind close doors or whether she's on Camera there should be no reason for her not to testify since "this is just a Kangaroo Court " and there is nothing behind any of these charges.

    In fact, it would be a great opportunity for the Democrats if she shut down Issa's investigation on TV in front of God and Everyone.

    Media outlets would be running it 24/7 right up to the elections.

    Saying she's taking the Fifth because its a Kangaroo Court doesn't make any sense either.

    Why would she want to lend credibillity to Issa's charges with 24 Consecutive 5th Ammendment Pleas ?

    She's not talking because her honest testimony is highly damaging to her and the administration.

    No other explanation fits her testimony or lack there of.
    Recall when the Democrats had their "public lynching" of Clarence Thomas? That was on the news all day and carried live on the MSM. The MSM has been in the tank for a generation and does not serve the public interest whatsoever, as we can tell by many of these uninformed opinions.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Recall when the Democrats had their "public lynching" of Clarence Thomas? That was on the news all day and carried live on the MSM. The MSM has been in the tank for a generation and does not serve the public interest whatsoever, as we can tell by many of these uninformed opinions.
    you can only make that arguement by deliberately not including fox news as main stream media.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh cry me a river. It's a bitch when your own tactics are used against you isn't it.
    J, I do nothing of the kind. This is your tactic. And I wasn't crying. I was laughing.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    you can only make that arguement by deliberately not including fox news as main stream media.
    How so?

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