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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
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    So one IRS investigation in 2006 of All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena who already had tax exempt status, was being investigated and with the possible loss of their tax exempt status is being compared to the 300 delays, some of which are still going on? Not quite apples to apples though I appreciate the bi-partisan concern. Someone should tell Congressman Cummings.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is no proof. Another leftist will pick up what's been said as being the truth, repeat it, and so it spreads among the Leftist community, like Herpes.
    That is a very apt comparison.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Already posted, and listed to you... by name.. a few months back when this story broke.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Or an attempt to deal with abuse of 501(c)(4) status.

    It would look the same to you.
    Show me the abuse of the 501c4 status that the IRS uncovered. Until then we can all be assured that you see the IRS's job as harassing Conservative groups.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So one IRS investigation in 2006 of All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena who already had tax exempt status, was being investigated and with the possible loss of their tax exempt status is being compared to the 300 delays, some of which are still going on? Not quite apples to apples though I appreciate the bi-partisan concern. Someone should tell Congressman Cummings.
    This is a signal of how desperate they are to protect their fellow travelers, but why? Shouldn't they want corruption in a powerful government agency to be brought to light in order that it not set a precedent for future government agencies and its leaders? It's an ongoing mystery how people can convince themselves that powerful governments, unanswerable to few, have their best interest at heart. It's as though history never existed.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    Which is meaningless. Evidence should still be the criteria and not anyone's belief. Without conclusive evidence, only a fool has no room for doubt.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Perfect! I think you exactly expressed the root cause of all the disagreements. You don't consider TEA party groups to be non-political. So lets start there. What's the difference between a political group which we all agree should be 527 and a Social Welfare group which should be 501c4?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I don't know but I have to ask why Issa has so far refused to offer her immunity from prosecution if he really thinks her testimony would incriminate the President. Letting one relatively minor participant avoid prosecution when he could bring down the government does seem like the move he should be making.

    However, if Issa already knows that there is no connection between the White House and the "IRS scandal", his refusal to offer immunity to Lerner makes sense - in a Washington political definition of "making sense". He and other GOP types can rant and rave about how the President and his minions have been targeting "real Amuricans" and "See, that Obama-bot Lerner is trying to protect her lord and master". He doesn't actually have to provide any proof of his accusations simply because he can claim that one person demanding immunity and by invoking her Fifth Amendment rights is holding up the whole thing.

    It has become nothing more than a show, all intended to do nothing more than provide talking points for Republicans running for office this year.


    What evidence is there that Issa believes this goes all the way to the White House?


    I have not seen anything to suggest that other than innuendo on both sides.

    Lois Lerner appears to have lied to the committee in telling them she was a minor player and that all this was done by people down the food chain; who have testified that was not the case.

    Is the Democratic Party and its supporters opposed to recalling her on that point to reveal corruption within the system and thereby end it?

    I seriously doubt this can be tied in any way to the White House; it doesn't happen since Watergate, but for trust in the civil service, congress needs to find out who did what. If it does lead to the White House, do you really want to continue to support a criminal?

    The resistance on this and other files by Obama supporters is tiresome and suspicion inducing. Is it not the undercurrent of the Obama administrations spying policy that of "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear"?

    Why are Democrats so afraid of this investigation? And please, let's **** can the old and tired argument of cost and a waste of time, Obama and co have never given a fiddler's damn about the cost of anything and they have been bitching about congress not doing anything for five years.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Show me the abuse of the 501c4 status that the IRS uncovered. Until then we can all be assured that you see the IRS's job as harassing Conservative groups.
    501(c)(4) abuse is rampant.

    All the result of an IRS rule change that changed "exclusively" (from the statute) social welfare to "primarily".

    And the "added scrutiny" came from public calls (from Dems, no question) to the IRS to address abuses.

    The primary tactic is to spend just under half on election intervention and then donate the other half to another 501(c)(4) that IT uses for election intervention.

    Prior to this, the IRS just turned a blind eye.

    An argument can be made that other 501 groups enjoy donor anonymity.

    I would prefer to see anonymity removed from all than granted to any.

    And the CU decision clearly included donor disclosure as Constitutional, benefitting shareholders and voters alike.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is a signal of how desperate they are to protect their fellow travelers, but why? Shouldn't they want corruption in a powerful government agency to be brought to light in order that it not set a precedent for future government agencies and its leaders? It's an ongoing mystery how people can convince themselves that powerful governments, unanswerable to few, have their best interest at heart. It's as though history never existed.
    Why indeed. Both parties are keen to seek out corruption to benefit their party but I've observed that deception, delay and omission usually means they cannot benefit. Government hasn't had the people's interest at heart for a very long time ...
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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