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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Applications were between 4:1 and 5:1 conservative to liberal groups. Investigations were closer to 3:1 conservative to liberal. A liberal political group had a much higher chance of being investigated than a conservative group.

    Ahh.. Bayesian math.
    thank you
    you anticipated exactly where i was headed with that question
    to deflate the presentation that conservative groups were 'victims' of the IRS
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    My understanding is that the IRS should, and needs to, hold the information they have in a confidential manner, and not have that information released to others. Yes?



    So, yes. The IRS has in fact committed an illegal act, has it not?

    so, now you are moving the goal posts to make this about inappropriate disclosure and no longer about the conservative groups being illegally targeted by the IRS
    about time you moved away from that losing argument
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

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    Nor was it intended as irony. That they do not understand it is why they should avoid it.

    A real example of irony is what happens when an individual that's paranoid about government lies places all their faith in a con artist; and completely ignores and excuses that con artist's baldfaced lies. So you're right; you're far better at irony than I am.... unfortunately for you.




    How do you know he was lying? Apparently her attorney said she would be there and minds were changed. We don't enough of what happened to support any claim that anyone involved was 'a liar'. Leftists throw this word around with such ease and do not seem to understand, again as with 'irony', what they are saying.
    Issa said that Lerner had changed her mind and would testify.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mB9HApsHs

    Issa claimed that Lerner would testify; presumably so that news organizations would cover an otherwise pointless hearing. If I believed that Issa was acting in good faith, I would still have to acknowledge that he was in fact lying on this point. I might justify it by saying that he was renewing media attention to an otherwise stalled story. But to claim that Issa was telling the truth is simply ludicrous. And to even hint that Issa is believable because Lerner is a woman is beyond ridiculous.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post

    Issa said that Lerner had changed her mind and would testify.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_mB9HApsHs

    Issa claimed that Lerner would testify; presumably so that news organizations would cover an otherwise pointless hearing. If I believed that Issa was acting in good faith, I would still have to acknowledge that he was in fact lying on this point. I might justify it by saying that he was renewing media attention to an otherwise stalled story. But to claim that Issa was telling the truth is simply ludicrous. And to even hint that Issa is believable because Lerner is a woman is beyond ridiculous.
    Please read this carefully and please don't respond until you completely understand what I said. I never said Issa was telling the truth. I said we don't know. You don't know and I don't know. It was all behind the scenes and is a matter of he said/she said. Your presumptions are guesses. You just don't know.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Applications were between 4:1 and 5:1 conservative to liberal groups. Investigations were closer to 3:1 conservative to liberal. A liberal political group had a much higher chance of being investigated than a conservative group.

    Ahh.. Bayesian math.
    Source please...because news reports have identified in this case about a hundred conservative groups to 7 liberal ones...my math may not be that great but that sure is a lot more than 3:1 ...
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, now you are moving the goal posts to make this about inappropriate disclosure and no longer about the conservative groups being illegally targeted by the IRS
    about time you moved away from that losing argument
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...redacted-1.pdf

    WHAT TIGTA FOUND activity guidance be developed by the
    Department of the Treasury. The IRS used inappropriate criteria that
    identified for review Tea Party and other

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Please read this carefully and please don't respond until you completely understand what I said. I never said Issa was telling the truth. I said we don't know. You don't know and I don't know. It was all behind the scenes and is a matter of he said/she said. Your presumptions are guesses. You just don't know.
    If you can't tell that a politician is lying in this case, then I'm pretty sure you unable to ever tell.

    If Issa was telling the truth, then there would be an email chain to back up his side of the story. If there's not an email or paper chain of communication and negotiation... unlike essentially any lawyerly communication since the creation of lawyers, then the chairmen of the house investigative committee is the easiest person on earth to make look like a fool.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Source please...because news reports have identified in this case about a hundred conservative groups to 7 liberal ones...my math may not be that great but that sure is a lot more than 3:1 ...
    Already posted, and listed to you... by name.. a few months back when this story broke.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    If you can't tell that a politician is lying in this case, then I'm pretty sure you unable to ever tell.

    If Issa was telling the truth, then there would be an email chain to back up his side of the story. If there's not an email or paper chain of communication and negotiation... unlike essentially any lawyerly communication since the creation of lawyers, then the chairmen of the house investigative committee is the easiest person on earth to make look like a fool.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, now you are moving the goal posts to make this about inappropriate disclosure and no longer about the conservative groups being illegally targeted by the IRS
    about time you moved away from that losing argument
    No, I've not given an inch on the possibility, probability really, that the IRS inappropriately delayed / obstructed the approval processing of conservative political groups. It almost appears a certainty that they in fact did, why else apologize for it? Why apologize for something that didn't happen?


    Given the links and reporting above, I think it pretty clear that it did indeed happen. With Lerner taking the 5th, seems likely that she was the person that ordered it, and possibly was told or order it from someone else, perhaps the administration.

    Whether or not this is illegal I can't speak to, but it certainly makes me uneasy that an governmental organization as powerful as the IRS now has precedent to attack and harass the political opposition of the administration in power. This is toothpaste that I'd very much want to see back in the tube, on a permanent and guaranteed basis. This far more important, in my mind at least, than if this administration ordered it or not, although that's really bad as well. Last time it was Nixon that did it, and the Democrats at the time, quite rightfully so, had a kanipshin. Now it's the Republican's turn to have their kanipshin over this, and again, quite rightfully so. The IRS cannot, and should not, be used to attack political opponents.

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