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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    you cannot even tell us what the IRS 'thing' is, yet you pretend it is more significant than watergate
    Of course it was worse. Because... because... because.... Obama. DUH!

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So you support the IRS taking illegal actions which abuse their power. Nice.
    Would you maintain the same position had it be liberal groups who's donors names were released to conservative groups? . . . . . I didn't think so.

    Some are saying that Lerner is taking the 5th so that she won't reveal the trail back to Holder and Obama. Others are saying that she's taking the 5th so she can get immunity before accepting blame for everything - whether true or protecting the president, I don't think we'll ever find out (maybe if she writes her memoirs and publishes them after she dies or something).

    So yes, political theater and a Mexican stand off.

    In all this political theater, no one seems to be talking about the real issue here. The real threat.

    If this is allowed to pass without criminal prosecutions, the precedence will be set for all future administrations that the IRS is at their disposal to attack and antagonize political opponents, whether they be individuals or political groups.

    With the likelihood increasing that the next administration will be a Republican one, are the Obama, Holder, Lerner defenders; are the conspiracy deniers really of the position that this use and abuse of the IRS power should be allowed to set precedence? Think back to the Nixon era. Wasn't Nixon also accused of use the IRS in this manner? (yes he was)

    So, why such denials when the tables are turned?

    The IRS has the power to inflict absolute hell and bankruptcy on any person or any group in the country, and should be, hell needs to be, 100% certifiable non-partisan in it's application of the powers that it has been granted in the name of the people.

    This is the real issue in my view, far beyond Lerner, Holder and even Obama.
    wrong out of the gate
    but prove me wrong instead
    offer us a cite which shows the IRS employees engaged in illegal activity
    a challenge offered to demonstrate your side has no idea what it is posting about
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The "IRS thing" is the intentional harassment and delay of conservative 501(c)(4) applications in the run up to the 2012 election. Just because you haven't been listening doesn't mean people haven't been very specifically clear as to what the IRS "thing" is.
    You realize that you cannot have a conservative or a liberal 501c4 group. By definition, a liberal or conservative 501c4 group is POLITICAL and should instead file as a 527 PAC.

    Guess what, you don't even need to apply to be a 501c4 group. You can just say that you're a 501c4 group and POOF.... You're automatically a 501c4 group.

    These political groups applied to be 501c4 groups because if they were later deemed to not be a 501c4 group, they'd have to disclose their donors. And that's the short of it... A group of very rich people formed a bunch of shell organizations to influence elections anonymously. But they happen to support your side so you're fine with it. Disgusting.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    its the IRS's job to make sure all those applicants applying for anonymity were legitimate social welfare groups.
    And yet 100% of those audited were conservative groups. All liberal 501(C)(4)s sailed through the process without an audit.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    you cannot even tell us what the IRS 'thing' is, yet you pretend it is more significant than watergate
    You mean the sitting president using the heaviest handed departments in his control to silence political opposition through intimidation is much less actionable than a second rate burglary...yeah, that doesn't sound foolish at all...
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You mean the sitting president using the heaviest handed departments in his control to silence political opposition through intimidation is much less actionable than a second rate burglary...yeah, that doesn't sound foolish at all...
    the nixon tapes reveal alot more than that.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And yet 100% of those audited were conservative groups. All liberal 501(C)(4)s sailed through the process without an audit.

    your boy, issa, told his boy, the republican appointed IG, to exclusively focus on the conservative leaning 501c4 applicants
    and that is what happened

    we now know that progressive leaning 501c4 applicants were also screened out for further assessment


    and significantly, issa excluded any democrats from his meeting with the IG during this 'bipartisan' investigation. issa concealed his effort to insist the focus be exclusively on conservative organizations
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your boy, issa, told his boy, the republican appointed IG, to exclusively focus on the conservative leaning 501c4 applicants
    and that is what happened

    we now know that progressive leaning 501c4 applicants were also screened out for further assessment


    and significantly, issa excluded any democrats from his meeting with the IG during this 'bipartisan' investigation. issa concealed his effort to insist the focus be exclusively on conservative organizations
    Sure they were, but it wasn't even close to a 50/50 ratio.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sure they were, but it wasn't even close to a 50/50 ratio.
    maybe becuase there was not enough liberal groups applying to make it a 50/50 ratio.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You realize that you cannot have a conservative or a liberal 501c4 group. By definition, a liberal or conservative 501c4 group is POLITICAL and should instead file as a 527 PAC.
    Of course you can have a politically ideological 501c4, you are being ridiculous. If their cause for organizing is one with a clear cut party line (like taxation, abortion, etc.) then they will be liberal or conservative ideologically and still be qualified as a 501c4. You can stomp your feet and hold your breath until your face turns blue, but promoting lower taxes and balanced budgets IS promoting social welfare.
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