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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Of course he doesn't, but that will not prevent him from making the claim and then building a conspiracy case from that claim.

    There is a stink coming from the President to the Justice Department to the IRS, and those Americans who put party ahead of country should be ashamed. Or perhaps shame is just a thing of the past for the LIV's.
    Great! You've volunteered your unparalleled deduction skills!

    Please explain why Issa said that Lerner had changed her mind and agreed to testify. Because I'm pretty sure she took the 5th again.

    (and I know... such a convoluted conspiracy... involving exactly one person telling one lie in which exactly one person benifits... shocking!)

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We can judge by those who were investigated by the IRS and those who got a pass. We can also judge by her earlier admission..
    Why are you refusing to admit that groups of all political leans were investigated and it was only a couple of LIBERAL groups which lost their tax exemption status? So it would appear, if one were to believe the conspiracy theorists, you know that the President SUPPOSEDLY ordered the IRS to target his political enemies is actually a CONSERVATIVE!!
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Really? "a deflection fail"? Why did Issa order the Republican appointed IG to not bother with investigating whether other groups had been targeted? Why didn't the IG tell Congress in reporting his "investigation" that he had only looked at IRS actions in regards to conservative groups? Why is the IG, supposedly an independent office, only meeting with Republicans?
    Yes. Deflection fail.

    Why won't Lerner testify? What is she hiding? Who is making her hide it?
    Why were conservative groups singled out, in that all their paperwork was sent to the Washington DC office of the IRS? Why where liberal groups' paperwork kept and promptly processed at the local IRS office?
    What of the Lerner smoking gun email? What did she mean by her words in there?

    All those questions of yours doesn't change the abuse of government power that's the real issue and the real danger for the future here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Do you acknowledge that the only groups which actually had their exemptions revoked were liberal groups and that not one conservative group suffered an withdrawal of their tax exempt status?
    Being denied is far better than being held in indefinite limbo. At least then you you have to change something to qualify. Being held in limbo leave you hanging out there and ineffective, which probably was the entire point.

    Yes, deflection fail. Pity on you that you can't see it.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I thought Obama said there was not a smidgen, if that is the way the word is spelled, of corruption in the IRS, so why would she need to take the 5th on anything?

    Could it be that Obama was wrong?
    There could be "actionable" "wrongdoing" that involves no "corruption".

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Usually this about face requires "immunity", in this case for Lerner - I wonder if that was part of the deal.
    Or they have their script ready. Considering the amount of time has passed I wouldn't doubt that things have been hidden or gotten rid of enough to make it seem like she's going to tell the truth.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How do you know all this when the main player keeps pleading the fifth?
    And I'd add how does Obama know if he found out about it when everyone else did, that there isnt even a "smidgen" of corruption?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I think you are right about that. Your Fifth Amendment right isn't something that is subject to a technicality. She has the right not to testify even if she makes some broad statement about her overall innocence. But that said, everyone, particularly liberals who want a large, sprawling bureaucracy should be outraged at the hint of corruption and wrongdoing. Liberals should be pressing to get the truth out and should be outraged at this womans silence.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    For some reason, those who call themselves "Conservative" are unwilling to admit that the only groups which had their 501(c)(4) exemptions pulled were liberal ones, not a single conservative, "patriot" or "tea party" organisation had their exemptions revoked.

    For some reason, the fact that Rep Issa held multiple secret meetings with the IRS Inspector General without divulging those meetings to his Democratic colleagues seems to have slipped past those ranting about Lois Lerner.

    +I wonder why those things aren't being mentioned by certain commenters - nah, I don't really wonder why. Far too many know the TRUTH and any actual facts which contradict the TRUTH are to be ignored.
    Please dude, the majority targeted were conservative, and many of the "liberal" groups you mentioned were picked because the NAME sounded conservative.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yes. Deflection fail.

    Why won't Lerner testify? What is she hiding? Who is making her hide it?
    Why were conservative groups singled out, in that all their paperwork was sent to the Washington DC office of the IRS? Why where liberal groups' paperwork kept and promptly processed at the local IRS office?
    What of the Lerner smoking gun email? What did she mean by her words in there?

    All those questions of yours doesn't change the abuse of government power that's the real issue and the real danger for the future here.



    Being denied is far better than being held in indefinite limbo. At least then you you have to change something to qualify. Being held in limbo leave you hanging out there and ineffective, which probably was the entire point.

    Yes, deflection fail. Pity on you that you can't see it.

    I'll ask again: Why won't Issa give her immunity if he really thinks her testimony would bring down the President?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Not if you are a taxpayer-paid representative of the Internal Revenue Service, and you are asked to discuss your actions as an employee of the people. In any other facet of her life, of course she has those rights.

    This really isn't hard.

    But this is the typical liberal tactic taught well by Alinsky. Distract and deploy a different narrative, just like Cummings is attempting with Issa. Get the conversation clouded up so the mainstream media can talk about ANYTHING but the gross abuse of Lerner's authority as an IRS Director.
    And of course you are living proof of the efficacy of Luntz' "framing" techniques.

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