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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I was never caught in that. My concern is more so for the future, now that this precedence use of the IRS has been set. I think my post was pretty clear about that. Specifically:


    So I'd call your post a deflection fail.



    I don't see how anything in your your post mitigates anything in my post or my position.

    Really? "a deflection fail"? Why did Issa order the Republican appointed IG to not bother with investigating whether other groups had been targeted? Why didn't the IG tell Congress in reporting his "investigation" that he had only looked at IRS actions in regards to conservative groups? Why is the IG, supposedly an independent office, only meeting with Republicans? Do you acknowledge that the only groups which actually had their exemptions revoked were liberal groups and that not one conservative group suffered an withdrawal of their tax exempt status?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    You mean the topic of how Issa lied when he said that Lerner had agreed to testify when that was obviously not the case? What exactly was his motivation? hmm.....
    Do you have evidence of this lie?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obama-haters really should do a bit more reading, you might find the story is more complicated than "Obama ordered harassment of real Americans"



    That was last year and then last month, more 'interesting' news came out
    The IRS Inspector General, J. Russell George, is a hold-over from the previous Administration; he was not appointed by Obama.


    The bold is precisely why this liberal distrusts American Democratic Party members.

    The instant and sweeping condemnation of anyone interested in this file and suspecting there is more than what we have been told are "Obama haters".

    By pointing out that Obamacare is substantially less than what has been advertised, one is immediately a "TEA BAGGER", the so-called left having hijacked a homosexual term.

    By suggesting that maybe, just maybe "The One" may have made an error, one is a "racist".

    It is defenses like these that tell me that there likely IS something there where I had assumed Lerner was only protecting colleagues and a much more widespread level of corruption; now I suspect this is right out of the White House basement.

    I say again, if there is "nothing there" as the chattering and complaining Obama fans insist, then what exactly is the issue with allowing the Republicans to make fools of themselves?

    Protesting too much, as the bard warned, often means guilt, and I have seldom seen such blind and hollow protesting.

    based on your posts I'd say Barry was calling the shots from the beinning.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    So why is Lerner taking the Fifth?

    I don't know but I have to ask why Issa has so far refused to offer her immunity from prosecution if he really thinks her testimony would incriminate the President. Letting one relatively minor participant avoid prosecution when he could bring down the government does seem like the move he should be making.

    However, if Issa already knows that there is no connection between the White House and the "IRS scandal", his refusal to offer immunity to Lerner makes sense - in a Washington political definition of "making sense". He and other GOP types can rant and rave about how the President and his minions have been targeting "real Amuricans" and "See, that Obama-bot Lerner is trying to protect her lord and master". He doesn't actually have to provide any proof of his accusations simply because he can claim that one person demanding immunity and by invoking her Fifth Amendment rights is holding up the whole thing.

    It has become nothing more than a show, all intended to do nothing more than provide talking points for Republicans running for office this year.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obama-haters really should do a bit more reading, you might find the story is more complicated than "Obama ordered harassment of real Americans"
    Ok, "Obama ordered a very complicated form of harassment of real Americans."

    That work for ya?

    Oh, and Ms. Lerner continues to plead the 5th on a subject Obama (the beloved) has unequivocally asserted there's "not even a smidgeon of corruption." Complicated indeed.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Do you have evidence of this lie?
    Of course he doesn't, but that will not prevent him from making the claim and then building a conspiracy case from that claim.

    There is a stink coming from the President to the Justice Department to the IRS, and those Americans who put party ahead of country should be ashamed. Or perhaps shame is just a thing of the past for the LIV's.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Why does everyone think Lois Lerner is an Obama-bot? She was not a political appointee, she worked in the IRS for 34 years. Who was President in 1980 or '81?
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    It has become nothing more than a show, all intended to do nothing more than provide talking points for Republicans running for office this year.
    It wouldn't be a show if Democrats just told the truth and then moved on. A mistake can be forgiven by the American people, even a serious one such as in the case of Bill Clinton, but the longer the Democrats continue to stall, make false claims, and plead the 5th, then the longer this will continue. Hoping it will just go away is not realistic, or even desirable by the people who care about such things.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Why does everyone think Lois Lerner is an Obama-bot? She was not a political appointee, she worked in the IRS for 34 years. Who was President in 1980 or '81?
    We can judge by those who were investigated by the IRS and those who got a pass. We can also judge by her earlier admission..

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Do you have evidence of this lie?
    Umm...... Unless I'm mistaken the title of this thread is "Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal".

    Issa, House GOP investigative committee say Lerner will testify in IRS scandal hearing | Fox News

    This claim came from Issa, and was immediately denied by Lerner's attorneys.

    Now, either Lerner's attorneys are lying; in which case Issa has only to produce the correspondence where Lerner agreed to testify.
    - or -
    Issa is lying, and his only motivation for making Lerner take the stand was for political theatre.

    Now, Issa has repeatedly engaged in selective document releases. If Lerner had agreed to testify, then Issa would happily release the documents.

    I don't care what side of the isle you're on, in this one instance the case is a slam dunk. ISSA WAS LYING when he said that Lerner had agreed to testify.

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