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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here is all the proof that any reasonable person should require, to demonstrate issa's interest is in sullying the white house rather than reaching the truth:

    the republican appointed IG stated that his investigation revealed there was NO political influence for the actions taken by the IRS employees
    It seems here are many Dems who would prefer a one-party state.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Exactly. Issa has essentially said that he wants to hang someone's head on a pole. Why would anyone want to testify before a committee that has no desire to get to the truth, but instead wants to collect scalps for political theatre?
    "Essentially said"? That means nothing, nor does the rest of your silly post. Please go by what people actually said so that a proper debate can take place.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    6 later and Republicans still can't get over Obama winning.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Watch list with Conservative sounding names were the only ones directed to Washington.

    And how would ANY IG know whether or not the motivations are political if the Democrats and those at the center of this issue are lying and obfuscating ?

    Why would Lerner lie about the low level rogue employees ? 24 5th ammendment pleas later, NO ONE whos not trying to cover Obama's ass that js, believes she is innocent.
    Agreed. It seems to be the only thing that makes sense.

    I figure there's a direct line to the White House she's hiding, and the pay off is going to be big for her from various administration types, once they are out of office.

    Would seem to me that all the congress members, regardless of political party, would be hot after this issue, abusing the IRS into enforcing the administration in-power's preferences as to political affiliations. If the congress members aren't interested in that, then the administration in power pretty much has permission by precedence, the precedence that's just been set.

    No. This issue, and it's investigation, MUST be perused, and present and future administrations MUST be denied the use of the IRS as a political enforcement arm. Anything less is unconscionable, unacceptable.
    Obama-haters really should do a bit more reading, you might find the story is more complicated than "Obama ordered harassment of real Americans"

    June 26, 2013, 12:11 am
    IG: Audit of IRS actions limited to Tea Party groups at GOP request

    The Treasury inspector general (IG) whose report helped drive the IRS targeting controversy says it limited its examination to conservative groups because of a request from House Republicans.

    A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) “to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.”

    The inspector general’s audit found that groups seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “patriots” in their name did receive extra attention from the IRS, with some facing years of delay and inappropriate questions from the agency.
    But top congressional Democrats have wielded new information from the IRS this week that liberal groups were also flagged for extra attention on the sorts of “be on the lookout” lists (BOLOs) that also tripped up conservative groups.

    The spokesman for the Treasury inspector general noted their audit acknowledged there were other watch lists. But the spokesman added: "We did not review the use, disposition, purpose or content of the other BOLOs. That was outside the scope of our audit.”
    That was last year and then last month, more 'interesting' news came out
    February 4, 2014 Next Wrinkle in IRS Flap: Does the IG Secretly Powwow with Republicans?
    In the latest in the ongoing and politicized dispute over the Internal Revenue Service’s mishandling of tax-exemption applications, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., and Rep. Gerald E. Connolly, D-Va., sent a Feb. 4 letter to Inspector General J. Russell George objecting “strongly to your office’s repeated partisan meetings with Chairman Darrell Issa and his staff after intentionally excluding Democratic Committee Members and staff -- particularly regarding matters that currently are under active investigation by both your office and this committee.” Cummings is the ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Connolly is the top Democrat on the panel’s Government Operations subcommittee.
    The IRS Inspector General, J. Russell George, is a hold-over from the previous Administration; he was not appointed by Obama.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    I guess they have no choice but to give her immunity. The truth is more important than hanging one particular head on a pole.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Agreed. It seems to be the only thing that makes sense.

    I figure there's a direct line to the White House she's hiding, and the pay off is going to be big for her from various administration types, once they are out of office.

    Would seem to me that all the congress members, regardless of political party, would be hot after this issue, abusing the IRS into enforcing the administration in-power's preferences as to political affiliations. If the congress members aren't interested in that, then the administration in power pretty much has permission by precedence, the precedence that's just been set.

    No. This issue, and it's investigation, MUST be perused, and present and future administrations MUST be denied the use of the IRS as a political enforcement arm. Anything less is unconscionable, unacceptable.
    Lost in the drama of the Watergate investigation was the fact Richard Nixon was under investigation for doing just that. He had used the IRS and it's "selective auditing" mandate to harass a lot of enemies in his own party and Democrats, not the least of which was the national campaign manager for George McGovern.

    It was a crime then and the Democrats went nuts.

    But now it's cool and any possible probe that might even suggest a remote whiff of an idea that more than this woman were involved should be shouted down and obstructed by rants in the guise of a point of order.

    At least the lemmings have moved off the memes that it's racist, Bush did it too, the Republicans are responsible, and combined all of it with the certainty without looking that there is nothing to this.

    This very much makes me want to see what the Democratic Party is all about; what I do see is repulsive.
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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obama-haters really should do a bit more reading, you might find the story is more complicated than "Obama ordered harassment of real Americans"
    I was never caught in that. My concern is more so for the future, now that this precedence use of the IRS has been set. I think my post was pretty clear about that. Specifically:
    No. This issue, and it's investigation, MUST be perused, and present and future administrations MUST be denied the use of the IRS as a political enforcement arm. Anything less is unconscionable, unacceptable.
    So I'd call your post a deflection fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    That was last year and then last month, more 'interesting' news came out
    The IRS Inspector General, J. Russell George, is a hold-over from the previous Administration; he was not appointed by Obama.
    I don't see how anything in your your post mitigates anything in my post or my position.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I agree that every side should be outraged at wrongdoing; namely the unlawful creation of political groups under the guise of social welfare 501c4's for the sole purpose of anonymously contributing unlimited amounts to campaigns.

    Any political group, Tea Party or otherwise, is free to form a tax exempt 527 group. They're also free to simply declare themselves to be 501c4's without any need for pre-approval by the IRS. The only reason to get pre-approval for a 501c4 is if you think your group is questionable and don't want to risk exposing your donors.
    Try to stay on topic. If you can.

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Obama-haters really should do a bit more reading, you might find the story is more complicated than "Obama ordered harassment of real Americans"



    That was last year and then last month, more 'interesting' news came out
    The IRS Inspector General, J. Russell George, is a hold-over from the previous Administration; he was not appointed by Obama.
    So why is Lerner taking the Fifth?

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    Re: Lois Lerner does about-face, will give Hill testimony on IRS scandal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Try to stay on topic. If you can.
    You mean the topic of how Issa lied when he said that Lerner had agreed to testify when that was obviously not the case? What exactly was his motivation? hmm.....

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