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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Everyone should take a step back, take a breath, and give the new government a shot before escalating things to the degree they are becoming.
    I can respond to the rest of what you said but I think we're just going to talk past each other.

    Just want to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this point. But it's going to be hard for the provisional government to have a chance while surrounded by so much Russian intervention.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Exactly what is your proposal?
    I posted this from a friend on another thread.

    1) Immediately have the US and the EU confer with Ukraine and tell them to NOT attack the Russian troops in the Crimea. Have them immediately mobilize their forces to their borders and take up positions and prepare and make any further Russian aggression have to come through their prepared positions. Right now the Crimea is lost, and attacking them there will only invite a much larger invasion and the potential loss of all of the Ukraine.

    2) The US should immediately start flying C-17s into Kiev (the Ukraine Capitol) loaded with advisors, provisions, trainers, and a a security force for those people. We cannot get enough people there to stop Putin at this point, but we can show him that the price for taking the Ukraine has now gone up and would be too steep for him.

    3) Have the NATO and Euopean countries (Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain) do the same thing (Number 2) at other critical points throughout the Ukraine.

    4) Immediately move to make the rest of the Ukraine a part of NATO.

    5) Hasten the Ukraine's entry into the EU.

    Not sure if any of this could or will be done.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What you've quoted of the treaty here doesn't indicate that force would be used or that any of the signatories promised to protect the Ukraine...?

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    There's some interesting insight on this thread. Thank to all.

    Yep which leaves us some wiggle room in regards how we act on any Russian occupation, but like I said before if we allow Russia to break this treaty and don't act on it where will that leave us in future potential flashpoints and how do we reassure our allies that we will be able to defend them from other agressors? It's a very slippery slope right now and I can't help but think of the 1920'2/30's when the Leauge of Nations allowed Japan and Germany to break numerous treaties which emboldened them down the line.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    What are our friends the Brits saying about it over there?
    Same thing as America! Wagging our finger and telling Russia what naughty boys they are.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    This is comparable to Hitler and the Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia during the 1930's. The German speaking people in Sudetenland and Chamberlain signed off on allowing Hitler to bring the German speaking people of Austria and the Sudetenland into Nazi Germany.

    What is happening in the Ukraine is about the Russian speaking people in the Ukrain who want to be Russian not Ukrainian.
    Look at my post (#28) in this thread...

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Most of which did not pose a direct threat to Russia's interests the way Ukraine does, and did not directly involve many if any Soviet troops.




    Which revision of history tells you that Chamberlain was capable of keeping Hitler from taking the Sudetenland?
    Hitler was desperate for international approval for both internal political purposes to cement his ruling power as well as for international relations for international trade reasons to allow him to continue to build his military power.

    Without Chamberlain and others giving that, he may not have succeeded. We'll never know what would have happened had Chamberlain not given Hitler his approval.

    At the time of the Sudetenland and Austrian "annexation" by Germany, the German military was not ready to take on the British, French or for that matter, the world. Once Chamberlain capitulated, Russia chose to do the same, and made the deal with Hitler to conquer and divide Poland in late September, 1939. With no force other than France standing in the way of Germany's expansionism, Germany was free to continue their expansion of their military power, mostly through slave labor and conquered resources. The same path is being followed now by Russia with the tacit approval of the world.

    In the current situation, Russia is rebuilding its power base since they have lost their place as one of two world super-powers.

    The actions in Ukraine, coupled with the Russian actions in Syria and Iran as well as past actions in Georgia, the Balkans, Moldova, and the Middle East, show that Russia is bent on expansionism, reconquering its former satellite states and either conquering or subjecting other countries into its realm of control.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I can respond to the rest of what you said but I think we're just going to talk past each other.

    Just want to say that I agree wholeheartedly with this point. But it's going to be hard for the provisional government to have a chance while surrounded by so much Russian intervention.
    Bad tactics. If you want to conquer another country, it is best to do it when it is weak.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Look at my post (#28) in this thread...
    I concur.

    I was late coming into this thread and only read the first ten post before I posted.

    Obligating treaties has turned small skirmishes into some of the stupidest wars to ever being fought. WW l is an example.

    Obama has thrown so many American allies under the bus, he no longer has any credibility in the political world.

    I believe Putin is well aware of the condition of our military is in today. He aint worried. I'm worried.

    But I bet the U.S. Army can teach the Russian army a thing or two about political correctness and diversity.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Putin has received permission from the Russian Parliament to mobilize the country's military in the Ukraine. Parliament has also requested that the Russian Ambassador be recalled from the United States in light of President Obama's remarks yesterday.

    I guess we showed him. The President's timing on this one was all wrong.

    Putin gets permission to use military in Ukraine; parliament wants to pull ambassador in DC | Fox News

    Why are we getting involved in this?
    I find it disconcerting how this man of ours keeps drawing lines red or in the sand without seemingly any idea of what to do, when the thug calls him. Why would he shoot of his mouth and draw the fire? This is a self made European problem or at least based on their handling. Of course the US can do something and prevent the cessation. But if we don't want to, leave it to the EU and UN and help, where needed.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I posted this from a friend on another thread.

    1) Immediately have the US and the EU confer with Ukraine and tell them to NOT attack the Russian troops in the Crimea. Have them immediately mobilize their forces to their borders and take up positions and prepare and make any further Russian aggression have to come through their prepared positions. Right now the Crimea is lost, and attacking them there will only invite a much larger invasion and the potential loss of all of the Ukraine.

    2) The US should immediately start flying C-17s into Kiev (the Ukraine Capitol) loaded with advisors, provisions, trainers, and a a security force for those people. We cannot get enough people there to stop Putin at this point, but we can show him that the price for taking the Ukraine has now gone up and would be too steep for him.

    3) Have the NATO and Euopean countries (Germany, France, the UK, Italy, Spain) do the same thing (Number 2) at other critical points throughout the Ukraine.

    4) Immediately move to make the rest of the Ukraine a part of NATO.

    5) Hasten the Ukraine's entry into the EU.

    Not sure if any of this could or will be done.
    NATO?!

    Albania, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Slovenia, Estonia - these countries are NATO members just for "search and rescue operations"
    Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Rep., Poland, Hungary, Romania - I doubt they will go straight against Russia.
    Belgium, Netherlands, Norway - they need sex and weed, they're not for war.
    Portugal, Spain, Greece, Italy - they do not have moneys even to fuel their tanks for a long term war.
    Turkey - they will get involved, no matter on which side, they miss/love the war.
    Germany - they gave a **** about Syria, they won't care much more for Ukraine. + they have strained relations with US regarding the spying issue.
    UK - they should do the mission impossible. Which suddenly would be British parliament as Syria case showed it up.
    France - They will scream like dogs for war, but if US is not there, they become kitten.
    USA/Canada - I doubt they will get involved since Ukraine it's a EU problem. As long as it stay an EU issue.

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    No one from these countries will care a lot for the Crimea. It's just a tiny spot on map.
    None of them is prepared for war. Fighting Russians in Ukraine arena is mission impossible.

    The only way they could put pressure to Russia, would be if they would have the guarantee of no-action from China & Iran, which indeed they do not have.
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