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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Ukraine has already overthrown this treaty by ousting of its president and replacement of government by a gang of fascists.Do you want we support new Hitler? It is enough, dumb Obama supports in Syria head-cuttings jihadists, and now .... fascists in Ukraine.
    We should better ask Ukrainian President Janukovich for advise,although he is a corrupt hog, but at least not a fascist.
    We'll have to ask all those Jews why they were out there protesting with the fascists.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    read up on the Nato-Ukraine Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, 1997.
    Gee thanks, a history assignment. You know that doesn't work here. A link to defend your claim that we have a military alliance and treaty to come to the ukraine s aid should they come under attack. Like I said earlier, if we do, this is reason enough not to continue to. But besides all that, Putin hasn't invaded or attacked Iraq in the same sense that Hitler did say Poland. The hypocrisy is frustrating enough, but again, Putin has far greater reason to be concerned of a country in flames on his border and this is as legitimate as any UK/US intervention in the last half century you love to rationalise.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Gee thanks, a history assignment. You know that doesn't work here. A link to defend your claim that we have a military alliance and treaty to come to the ukraine s aid should they come under attack. Like I said earlier, if we do, this is reason enough not to continue to. But besides all that, Putin hasn't invaded or attacked Iraq in the same sense that Hitler did say Poland. The hypocrisy is frustrating enough, but again, Putin has far greater reason to be concerned of a country in flames on his border and this is as legitimate as any UK/US intervention in the last half century you love to rationalise.
    already posted it but I will post it again for you.

    Nato-Ukraine Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, 1997. Although it clearly avoids any reference to any mutual defence assurances, its language builds on the Budapest Memorandum by essentially committing all Nato allies to the same kind of declarative support for Ukraine’s sovereignty. The key paragraph here is number 14:

    NATO Allies will continue to support Ukrainian sovereignty and independence, territorial integrity, democratic development, economic prosperity and its status as a non-nuclear weapon state, and the principle of inviolability of frontiers, as key factors of stability and security in Central and Eastern Europe and in the continent as a whole.




    Only one way you can interpret that.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Love how the law of the land is important only when you want it to be.
    Hahaha someone could say the same about you! You whine and whine whenever the US violates international law and new you're making excuses for Russia doing it. Can't you at least try to be consistent?
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    I feel the same way. Hearing them quoted almost makes me cry. I see their pain and bravery, and I know that is how my grandparents spoke and felt. I see my grandparents in them. This is not surprising to me. I lived in Europe when the Orange Revolution started and saw regular coverage of it. America did not seem to cover it all, but I am not surprised it has reached this point. Eastern Europe has been through so much since WWII. I hope so much for the Ukrainian people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    The news out of/about Ukraine have gotten too depressing for me to read.

    I am quite tied up in the whole affair. For me, personally, seeing the Ukrainian people win in deposing their corrupt govt was more than just a "hip hip hooray" thing, it touches me on a more personal level as an eastern european. I can heavily, and do heavily relate to every word those protesters spoke when they wanted to end corruption and a govt for them, and a new start. That sentiment is heavily resounding in all former communist countries. heck, even in Poland, which is like, the best former communist country (I'm not counting the eastern germany because that doesn't exist as a separate entity anymore), is still cleansing itself of the filth leftover by communism.

    And now it's all going to ****.

    So basically russian armed forced will enter Crimea and they'll take it. Maybe they'll enter some of Ukraine's eastern territories. Do a bit of surprise-anschluss because why not.

    You can't do anything. Nobody can. You can counter the russian invasion. Not the USA. Not the EU. Nobody. Why? Because it's Russia and you don't want this cold war 2.0 to become a really, really hot war.

    So if the russians will want Crimea, they'll take Crimea. if they'll want to take Kharkiv Oblast, Luhasnka Oblast and/or Donestk Oblast... they'll tkae them all. They can take even Zaporishnya which is a very beautiful city and a lot of the East and SE regions which are Russian speaking predominantly...

    Russian Parliament approved invasion of Ukraine
    UN security council in emergency meeting after Russian parliament approves use of military against Ukraine- live updates | World news | theguardian.com

    It's over.

    You know, for me, this is quite defeating, spiritually. It reminds me of why the Republic of Moldavia exists and why transnistria exists. If you don't know what those are, google them. It's crushing. Ofc, for me, its' crushing spiritually... for the ukrainians it will be crushing for real.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As it did in the 1920's for oil, remember ?
    No, I don't. Could that be because it didn't happen?

    Ya know, you people should REALLY do a quick fact check, before posting historical information.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not a lie. You supported Iraq, and Libya, pushed for action in Syria, you have no problem in violating the sovereignties of other countries. You just don't like it when you THINK that someone else is doing it. The real truth is your jealous that Putin may be emerging as the new power. But when you abuse power it gets wrested from you. Which if Putin does emerge so, and abuses his power outside his borders, he'll find that out as well.
    Feel free to quote me. Or, you can admit that you're lying though your teeth, and apologize for smearing my reputation, for lack of any real argument. Thanks in advance.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    Morons like Obama and Nuland have make everything to kindle rebellion in Ukraine and overthrown the freely elected president, let both idiots go in the first rows to fight against Putin.
    or it was unhappy Ukrainians who did not want to be controlled by Russia and the presidents attempts to silence them that kindled rebellion

    BBC News - Ukraine's president signs anti-protest bill into law

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya DS ......what about the treaty Russia has with the Ukraine and agreements that go back to a very long long time ago. Do you think Putin and his Team knew about the control of Russian assets on Ukrainian soil?


    Any Russian military movements in Crimea are in keeping with Moscow's existing arrangement with Ukraine on the deployment of military assets in the former Soviet republic, Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said on Friday.

    "We are acting within the framework of that agreement," he told reporters after a closed-door meeting of the U.N. Security Council. He did not give any details or comment on specifics of any Russian military deployments on Ukrainian territory.....snip~

    Russia says Crimea deployments based on agreements with Ukraine
    Russia has acted preemptively according to its interpretation of the commitments. It's not clear that those assets were at imminent risk.

    What is clear is that Russia under President Putin has demonstrated by example a willingness to act decisively when it feels its critical interests are at risk. Moreover, it sees power as a guarantor of those interests. Russia's actions again demonstrate that power truly does matter and that the global balance of power is not, as some idealists argue, an obsolete construct from the 19th or 20th centuries.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Hahaha someone could say the same about you! You whine and whine whenever the US violates international law and new you're making excuses for Russia doing it. Can't you at least try to be consistent?
    I don't believe Russia is doing it, unless you think that's what we were doing in Libya and Iraq. I would be fine with the Ukrainians working matters out for themselves without any outside intervention. If Russia stabilises things, puts in a structure to their liking and brings their military home they've done nothing that the US hasn't done, if you've a problem with what Russia's doing, then you should have a problem with what the US has made a foreign policy occupation of. At this point, which is key, my opinion could change on that, Russia has physical assets there, this is a country in flames on their border, makes sense they would want to stabilise it, we'll see.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 03-02-14 at 04:10 PM.
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