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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I thought the treaty was to respect their borders?
    The treaty signed by Russia, US and the UK. Treaty states that all 3 countries respect Ukraine's sovereignty. Russia broke this treaty and must face the consequences
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Good points, but we have to consider that half of their military brass is of the Russian language group. They probably didn't like the revolt to begin with. I don't think we have to worry about them not wanting to see action against who they see as their brothers in arms. As for Crimea, it was Russian to begin with, having only been given to Ukraine to administer as a paperwork shuffle in 1954 by Kruschev. Not worth dying for.




    Bold, but we won't do that, because it will escalate the situation. It will be viewed as an hostile act. This is not Iraq, and Saddam's allowing us to slowly build up forces in Kuwait over a year or two before he is to be attacked. Every C-17 will fly within only a few miles of overwhelming Russian air power and air defense systems. Each US special forces soldier will also be in the midst of Ukranian soldiers, half of whom will be Russian speaking and most likely waiting for the orders to garrote them in their sleep. These are not Iraqis and Afghanis we are playing with here, but the sons and grandsons of men who knocked the hell out the German army in WW2 all the way to Berlin, and would have gone further had we not had the bomb. I don't think the Russians will think it too much of a price to pay if they decide whatever they decide, but I think they will just let Ukraine return to the fold on its own. Their former leader that was just released from prison is going to see Putin this coming Monday. They had a good relationship before when she was in power. I believe they will come to an understanding. Russia this far has only had to say, "Boo!" and the West jumped.

    Goodness, I just had an epiphany. Putin never liked the guy they just toppled. He always got along with her, though. Could this not have been the plan all along, going back a couple of years or more, to bring out the EU just so far, and see what they would do to test their mettle, letting the rest of eastern Europe see just how unreliable NATO, the US, and EU will be in the long run compared to holding their cards fast with the Russians. Hmmm, that would make Putin one hell-ova strategist.



    Any such actions will be seen as an offensive act and will only escalate the situation. A country has to be able to back up such moves, especially against a nation like Russia. The US and NATO have neither the men or material to fight a large modern land war in Europe as would be the case necessary here to stop any Russian offensive. We have had a hard enough time just containing cave dwellers in Afghanistan.



    Okay, not sure what this would do. I suspect, that would just encourage the more prosperous and productive east Ukraine to break off into its own country. I don't think that is what Russia wants. They just want a stable Ukraine that is within their sphere of interest.



    Again, it would just lead the eastern Ukraine, which is the more Russian speaking, productive, and prosperous, to break off into its own country.



    Sound thoughts, all in all, but I don't think it can or will be done. EU took a gambit on trying to draw away Ukraine, and it did not work out. They will not fight a major land war in Europe over them. They will be back in bed dealing with the Russians like nothing happened within months. Most of the leaders of this revolt will slip into irrelevance and disappear once Yulia Tymoshenko comes back into the fore and makes amends with Putin on Monday.
    Yep, I mainly posted this because there were many here asking "what should Obama do?"

    He opted to tell Putin that he would "lose face" with the International community he Russia continued.

    Barry oughta know.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yep, I mainly posted this because there were many here asking "what should Obama do?"

    He opted to tell Putin that he would "lose face" with the International community he Russia continued.

    Barry oughta know.
    Absolutely. I just feel that though there are many that want us to be involved in everything, in reality, we can't. Nor would we tolerate anyone doing the same in our own backyard. We are over-extended, and no longer have the popular war to take on a war the proportions of which would be on a scale of World War 2. Good discussion though. It will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few days.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    Absolutely. I just feel that though there are many that want us to be involved in everything, in reality, we can't. Nor would we tolerate anyone doing the same in our own backyard. We are over-extended, and no longer have the popular war to take on a war the proportions of which would be on a scale of World War 2. Good discussion though. It will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few days.
    In other news: France has backed out of the preparatory meetings for the G-8 in Sochi, Russia.

    UK joins U.S., France in pulling out of G8 preparatory meetings
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Russia to blackout the Oscar coverage tonight, becoming eerily similar to pre berlin wall collapse Russia
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Russia to blackout the Oscar coverage tonight, becoming eerily similar to pre berlin wall collapse Russia
    They're not missing much at all.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It doesn't matter against Russia. The only war with Russia is going to be nuclear. Do you want to die for Ukraine?
    do the Russians? definitely a terrible risk of nuclear war when fighting a nuclear power an unacceptable risk maybe but short of invading Russia and threating to overthrow its government wouldn't it make sense to fight a war with out the nukes even loss of control over Ukraine seem preferable to global annihilation via caned sunshine

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Russia to blackout the Oscar coverage tonight, becoming eerily similar to pre berlin wall collapse Russia
    Yes, that's totally the worst thing that's happening in Russia tonight....


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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    do the Russians? definitely a terrible risk of nuclear war when fighting a nuclear power an unacceptable risk maybe but short of invading Russia and threating to overthrow its government wouldn't it make sense to fight a war with out the nukes even loss of control over Ukraine seem preferable to global annihilation via caned sunshine
    Russia does have vital military interests in the Crimean peninsula. We do not, though I'd hope that our reaction to an overthrow of the British government to be similar.


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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Russia does have vital military interests in the Crimean peninsula. We do not, though I'd hope that our reaction to an overthrow of the British government to be similar.
    ok but is anything in that their worth mutual suicide between them and the untied states im sure its worth fighting for, for them just not sure its worth nuclear war to them

    do we need to help the British government if its oppressing an or murdering its people?

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