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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see the paradigm and my view is that the USA is the aggresser in this matter.
    I, for one, am shock that Dave found a way to make the US the bad guy. Unexpected!
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I, for one, am shock that Dave found a way to make the US the bad guy. Unexpected!
    You're tuned to the "Mighty Wurlitzer" and I don't think they have informed you what to think yet. You know. Talking points. Everybody on the same page, written by????? Hang in there, Bubba, they'll let you know what to think pretty soon. Have a glass of milk and two cookies. Nothing to see here. Move on.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    You're tuned to the "Mighty Wurlitzer" and I don't think they have informed you what to think yet. You know. Talking points. Everybody on the same page, written by????? Hang in there, Bubba, they'll let you know what to think pretty soon. Have a glass of milk and two cookies. Nothing to see here. Move on.
    Good idea, Dave! If you've already started, I'll have a drink, too!
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Putin has received permission from the Russian Parliament to mobilize the country's military in the Ukraine. Parliament has also requested that the Russian Ambassador be recalled from the United States in light of President Obama's remarks yesterday.

    I guess we showed him. The President's timing on this one was all wrong.

    Putin gets permission to use military in Ukraine; parliament wants to pull ambassador in DC | Fox News

    Why are we getting involved in this?

    Here is how it played out Maggie .....Obama wants to try and play Economics. Problem is Putin can play to and then All gets taken down.



    Ignoring President Barack Obama's warning Friday that "there will be costs" if Russia intervenes militarily, Putin sharply raised the stakes in the conflict over Ukraine's future evoking memories of Cold War brinkmanship.

    After Russia's parliament approved Putin's motion, U.S. officials held a high-level meeting at the White House to review Russia's military moves in Ukraine. The White House said Obama spoke with Putin by telephone for 90 minutes and expressed his "deep concern" about "Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity."

    The White House said Obama told Putin that the United States is calling on Russia "to de-escalate tensions by withdrawing its forces back to bases in Crimea and to refrain from any interference elsewhere in Ukraine."

    A statement from the Kremlin said Putin emphasized to Obama the existence of "real threats" to the life and health of Russian citizens and compatriots who are in Ukrainian territory. The statement indicated that Russia might send its troops not only to the Crimea but also to predominantly ethnic Russian regions of eastern Ukraine.

    "Vladimir Putin emphasized that, in the case of a further spread in violence in eastern regions (of Ukraine) and Crimea, Russia maintains the right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population that lives there," the Kremlin statement said.

    Obama told Putin that he would support sending international monitors to Ukraine to help protect ethnic Russians. He said the U.S. will suspend its participation in preparatory meetings for June's G-8 summit in Sochi, Russia, the site of the recently concluded Winter Olympics, warning that Russia's "continued violation of international law will lead to greater political and economic isolation."

    NATO announced a meeting for Sunday of the North Atlantic Council, the alliance's political decision-making body, as well as a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission. NATO secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the allies will "coordinate closely" on the situation in Ukraine, which he termed "grave."

    The U.N. Security Council met in an open, televised session for about a half hour on Saturday afternoon after closed-door consultations, despite initial objections from Russia to an open session. The council heard speeches from a U.N. deputy secretary-general and several ambassadors, but did not take any action.....snip~

    Russian troops take over Ukraine's Crimea region - AP News 3/1/2014 7:35 PM

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Will Putin go into the rest of the Ukraine, besides their Crimean base ?
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Because you signed one of those pesky treaties.
    I thought the treaty was to respect their borders?
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Will Putin go into the rest of the Ukraine, besides their Crimean base ?
    Do you think Putin would bluff Obama after Rice , Kerry and Obama and Powers blow Hot Air?


    Calling the situation in Ukraine "as dangerous as it is destabilizing," U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power said, "It is time for the Russian military intervention in Ukraine to end." She warned that "Russia's provocative actions could easily push the situation beyond the breaking point." She asked that Russia directly engage the Ukraine government and called for international monitors to be sent to Ukraine to observe the situation.

    "Russia and the West find themselves on the brink of a confrontation far worse than in 2008 over Georgia," Dmitri Trenin, the director of Carnegie Moscow Center, said in a commentary posted on its website. In Georgia, Russian troops quickly routed the Georgian military after they tried to regain control over the separatist province of South Ossetia that has close ties with Moscow.....snip~

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    More than just this treaty with the US and UK, Ukraine has an agreement with NATO as well. Given that they had started the MAP (membership application process), all Ukraine has to do is make a request to NATO for assistance, even though they are not an actual member of NATO.

    In 2002 NATO and Ukraine signed and adopted the Ukraine Action Plan. Russia's reaction to this was violent. In 2010, when the recently deposed pro-Russian President of Ukraine was elected, he and the Ukrainian parliament stopped the NATO MAP, but did not withdraw completely, so technically, the MAP is still in place.

    Add to this; that Georgia is also involved in a NATO MAP, that the Russians invaded Georgia in 2008 and GW Bush had to send the 6th Fleet to the Black Sea to impose a no-fly zone over Georgia, what Georgia may do regarding requests for protection from potential spill over in this event may lead to NATO forces entering the Black Sea... and, dozens of other players such as Moldova and Romania which also have treaties with the US and UK... And lastly... Turkey which is just across the Black Sea from all this tension, is and has been for decades, a NATO member country.

    What worries me are as follows: the White House just made the announcement to reduce our military force to pre-WWII numbers; the White House put a "line" to not be crossed in Syria and did nothing when the line was crossed; the White House has allowed Russia to take over and lead Iranian nuclear negotiation; the White House bowed to Russia in relation to force in Libya and and other Middle East conflicts; the White House has bowed to Russia and removed our missile defense systems from former Soviet block regions; Vladimir Putin has stated numerous times that he wants to reform the Soviet Union and is doing everything he can do to consolidate his power and gain territorial dominance, and; now the White House is attempting to draw another line in regard to Russia which Putin is obviously laughing at in the face of the world.

    In essence, I don't feel comfortable at all that the White House has the talent, knowledge, vision or most importantly the respect of other global leaders to control this situation before it grows and gets completely out of control.

    This rings close to what those that study history will remember occurred in the Sudetenland and even Austria in the 1930's.

    History repeating itself.
    Howdy Beau! I think that perhaps Obama's red line in Syria was his only mistake there, I mean stating it. But with both China and Russia denying a resolution for use of force in Syria, and the UK backing out, and 70% of Americans being against any action in Syria, Obama can't be blamed.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you think Putin would bluff Obama after Rice , Kerry and Obama and Powers blow Hot Air?


    Calling the situation in Ukraine "as dangerous as it is destabilizing," U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Samantha Power said, "It is time for the Russian military intervention in Ukraine to end." She warned that "Russia's provocative actions could easily push the situation beyond the breaking point." She asked that Russia directly engage the Ukraine government and called for international monitors to be sent to Ukraine to observe the situation.

    "Russia and the West find themselves on the brink of a confrontation far worse than in 2008 over Georgia," Dmitri Trenin, the director of Carnegie Moscow Center, said in a commentary posted on its website. In Georgia, Russian troops quickly routed the Georgian military after they tried to regain control over the separatist province of South Ossetia that has close ties with Moscow.....snip~
    Hey there MMC, someone mentioned that Putin is withdrawing his ambassadors over comments Obama made?? Do you know what those comments were?
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Hey there MMC, someone mentioned that Putin is withdrawing his ambassadors over comments Obama made?? Do you know what those comments were?
    Heya Monte. I figured they were the ones from Post 114 unless someone can find something else......Sounds like Obama tried to put some bass in his voice. Then got called on it. So Obama came back with the only thing he could. Willing to send in monitors.

    Which Putin knows that's a UN call. So he pulled his Ambassador after they allowed that open Security Council Session. IMO!

    Both Powers and Rice have been played and made to look like fools. So the Russians aren't sweting them. Same deal with Kerry as Lavrov has him cowled.

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