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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think he should have reminded the world that Russia signed a treaty in support of non-interference by anyone in Ukraine. And that the United States, Great Britain and many in the rest of the world are disappointed to see this so-obvious violation of that treaty by one of the very countries who signed it. He could have said that the United States and other signers will be weighing their options and hope to keep in constant and close contact with Russia as this moves forward toward the goal of understanding why they have chosen to take military action and what ramifications that action will have in the rest of the world.
    That would have been an improvement over what was said.

    The older I get, the test for me on foreign involvement is a simple one: would I have gone and fought this war - or (if older) would I want my son or daughter to go fight this war - and now with a 12 year old grandson - I ask if I would want him to go and fight this war. My father joined the service in 1944 and spent large parts of two years in a German prison camp after being shot down over Eastern Europe. To this day he regrets not one day of his service and is happy he went to help save the word from fascism. I would hope I would have the courage to do the same thing and my kids and grandsons would do the same.

    But aside from WW2 - I can think of no war in the last century that merits that personal test for me.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Have you been asleep for the past few years?!?
    no but you are not giving any examples of the actions he did or what he said Exactly to show weakness.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    do we know where the russian troops are heading? the border of crimea and ukraine? their millitary bases? do we know what purpose the troops are there for.
    If we don't, then things are worse than I thought.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    you think we should have destabilized iran? Even though the entire Middle east is already destabilized because of Iraq an syria, you want to add more chaos to the region.
    Don't mis-characterize what I said. What is said was:

    ...making more of an effort to destabilize Iran and bring about regime change in Iran
    I thought you liberals were all for HOPE AND CHANGE?

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Sen. Corker walks back previous criticism of Obama.
    Just now on CNN, Corker tried to act like the statesman he hasn't been lately.

    At first he yapped about trade sanctions playing the GOP Syria card that the President doesn't know what he's doing.
    Now Corker is forced to admit that the POTUS has stepped up his game.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    You didn't sign an agreement requiring intervention. You signed an agreement that makes it impossible for future non-proliferation treaties to be taken seriously if no action is taken.
    I don't disagree. Indeed, enforcement mechanisms have been a major sticking point in Israeli-Palestinian talks with Israel largely dismissive of U.S./European security guarantees. What happened in Lebanon following Israel's withdrawal has driven those concerns. In a broader context, the consequences of what followed Ukraine's abandoning its nuclear weapons adds another argument for caution when it comes to nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. Right now, there really are no good answers to these issues and that absence of good solutions will adversely impact current and future diplomatic efforts.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think its depends on how you read the treaty and it is worth pointing out that diplomats are still reading over the treaty as we speak so nothing certain. It's this paticular wording that worries me.

    "The three powers committed to “respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine” and “refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine”.


    Clearly Russia have broken this agreement and now the question is how will the West react? If we fail to act on this then what does this mean for all our other treaties worldwide and our overall global position?
    I agree with you that Russia has violated the agreement. Had Ukraine moved against Russia's naval base, that would have been a different matter. The problem is that the agreement was silent as to what would happen if its terms were violated.

    In terms of what can be done, there are no practical military solutions. Non-military measures can and most definitely should be reviewed for possible implementation. Future agreements need to avoid circumventing the tricky issue of enforcement mechanisms. Usually, language about security guarantees or other terms that fall short of actual credible enforcement machinery are utilized to assure an agreement is reached.

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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I see the paradigm and my view is that the USA is the aggresser in this matter. Nuland admitted that the USA has spent $5 billion in the Ukraine. Now you know we did not buy Ukrainian bonds. We did not send GMO corn, peas, beans, tomatos, or staples of some nature to feed the PEOPLE. We formed NGOs and staff that could organize and bring together large population groups for protests. Apparently, $5 billion worth and that will buy a lot of protestors, methinks. Meanwhile, Russia became the largest trading partner of Ukraine and still is. Many Ukrainians speak Russian, especially in the South and East. The protestors, perhaps $5 billion worth come from Western Ukraine and don't speak Russian. Wowser, could that be a magnification of the root problem. I'm pretty sure Russia is also signatory to this treaty everyone is referring to and being the closest neighbor is in the most favorable position to react in the most beneficial manner for Ukrainians overall. After all, it is Russia that had bailed out Ukraine. It is Russia that sells gas to Ukraine well below World Market Value, but perhaps not after this contractual quarter. It is Russia that is Ukraines largest trading partner. Give the Western Ukraind to the IMF, part and parcel, and the IMF will strip the assetts for the Corporate NWO and initiate an austerity program and there will be 50% unemployment rate. There will be missile bases in the Ukraine , allegedely to defend the EU from missile attacks from Iran. Actually, they will have Russian targets. Gee, could that be why Putin reacts strongly, decisevly and forcefully to prevent Ukrainian manipulation by Western Corporate interests?
    Good post, Dave. Something to think about.










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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

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    Welcome to the world without American leadership, folks.
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    Re: Russian Parliament Wants Ambassador Recalled

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree with you that Russia has violated the agreement. Had Ukraine moved against Russia's naval base, that would have been a different matter. The problem is that the agreement was silent as to what would happen if its terms were violated.

    In terms of what can be done, there are no practical military solutions. Non-military measures can and most definitely should be reviewed for possible implementation. Future agreements need to avoid circumventing the tricky issue of enforcement mechanisms. Usually, language about security guarantees or other terms that fall short of actual credible enforcement machinery are utilized to assure an agreement is reached.

    Heya DS ......what about the treaty Russia has with the Ukraine and agreements that go back to a very long long time ago. Do you think Putin and his Team knew about the control of Russian assets on Ukrainian soil?


    Any Russian military movements in Crimea are in keeping with Moscow's existing arrangement with Ukraine on the deployment of military assets in the former Soviet republic, Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said on Friday.

    "We are acting within the framework of that agreement," he told reporters after a closed-door meeting of the U.N. Security Council. He did not give any details or comment on specifics of any Russian military deployments on Ukrainian territory.....snip~

    Russia says Crimea deployments based on agreements with Ukraine

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