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Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

j-mac said:
No I think you are....And Reagan is spinning in his grave with you invoking his name and words.
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In other words, you think Reagan was right, we should have tried to be a shinning city on a hill? I'd be delighted if I made Reagan spin in his grave, think you can do that?
 
Man of Context said:
Because we don't want major regional powers invading their neighbors at will, especially when we promised those neighbors protection in return for disarmament.
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Unless its the US invading at will. Then its just fine.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Part of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.
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The country is split 50/50. This is nothing more than partisans making up something else to criticise Obama for, when they know damn well, there's nothing he can or should do to stop Russia from protecting their interests on their border.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Slippery slope arguments rarely work.
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Exactly. A country on Russia's border, that they have physical assets in, falls into chaos, the government is toppled though there's a 50/50 split in loyalty, Russia moves in to stabilise things, and suddenly he's "invading", "attacking" and is in the process of annexing all his old neighbours again! At the same time, the US can invade and occupy countries over a decade, and that's just fine!
 
Grant said:
That is not true, it wasn't said, and no one believes it.
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How is it that Russia securing a country on its border, in which 50% of its citizens are loyal to it, is acting nefarious?
 
Higgins86 said:
Not unless the EU who make up 26 members of Nato are sending tanks, men and planes into Kiev to protect their interests.
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As though they haven't done this in the last decade, ha. And you got two likes on that. Hypocrisy is 20/20 here.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
:lol: I know. We usually learn the truth 10 to 20 years after the fact.
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Lately its been coming on sooner than that, and it still doesn't shut that ****ing pro-war crowd up.
 
Higgins86 said:
Talking to some friends who live in Kazakhstan today and they are generally worried about what this means for the future of not just that region but all former soviet states.
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My friends there would be delighted to be a part of the rise.
 
Montecresto said:
As though they haven't done this in the last decade, ha. And you got two likes on that. Hypocrisy is 20/20 here.
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Love the fact your defending Russia and Putin. The man has lost touch with reality according to Merkel, has invaded a neighbouring country and now has issued an ultimatum to the Ukraine. Meanwhile NATO and the US who you accuse of being the aggressor are showing a lot of restraint and still trying diplomacy.
 
Montecresto said:
Lately its been coming on sooner than that, and it still doesn't shut that ****ing pro-war crowd up.
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The only 'pro-war' person I see here is you, making the claim that it's okay for Putin to invade a neighboring country because you claim it is 'inflamed'.
 
j-mac said:
Ok, so then what are you as a liberal supporter of the current administration willing to stand behind as far as action goes in that regard?
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See that's just it. Anytime anything happens in the world, you guys think its just automatic that the US is suppose to do something about it. I'm glad we're not (of course there's nothing we can do). And I'm glad your panties are all knotted up over it.
 
j-mac said:
Seems like a good bet that it is.
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Of course, because it supports your position too. But it's also a good bet you'd dismiss it if it didn't.
 
Higgins86 said:
Breaking News Russia's Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 5:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday to surrender or face an all-out assault, according to Ukrainian defence ministry sources quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "If by 5am tomorrow morning they do not surrender a real assault will begin on units and sections of the Ukrainian armed forces all over Crimea," defence ministry officials are quoted as saying. So far there is no further confirmation of the ultimatum from other sources.
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I'd love to see what you would have to say if 50% of your countries citizens toppled your government, seized control of your armed forces and declared an independent state.
 
Who knew Monte was such an undercover warmonger!
 
Grant said:
The UN??? How can they do anything, even if they were honest, competent, and had the incentive?
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The UN is a body composed of countries, who is they?
 
Grant said:
No, you were speaking for yourself. Look at your post.
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Everybody here is speaking for international situations, otherwise what is this discussion about?
 
Higgins86 said:
Love the fact your defending Russia and Putin. The man has lost touch with reality according to Merkel, has invaded a neighbouring country and now has issued an ultimatum to the Ukraine. Meanwhile NATO and the US who you accuse of being the aggressor are showing a lot of restraint and still trying diplomacy.
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They're not showing restraint, they can't do anything to stop Russia from protecting their interests in the UKRAINE. You are accusing Putin of annexing all the old neighbours and erecting the iron curtain again.
 
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