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Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

Lord Tammerlain said:
You are thinking of South Ossetia and Abkhazia which are culturally distinct from Georgia fought wars of independence from Georgia, and were ruled as defacto independent states from 1995 or so

As for Crimea, I expect it will be declared independent from Ukraine and be given protection by Russia
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Just like East Osetia and Abhkasia. Yes I meant these excuses that serve as grounds not to help these countries.
 
Montecresto said:
Yep, every country gets them, or no country gets them, and preferably nobody.
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Who authorizes and controls these situation? What about countries which can't afford them? Should we set up a fund?
 
Montecresto said:
Sanctions are an act of war, at least an invitation, of themselves. I don't think Putin has designs on Europe. This should be let alone.
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Sanctions are not an act of war, and obviously with troops lined up on the Ukrainian border he has designs on Europe. He even declared war.
 
Who will pay the new military operation and probably 'collateral' damages a new nuclear war?Kerry, Obama or probably Nuland?
 
Montecresto said:
It's difficult to dogmatically state what the Ukraine IS. It has been voluntarily under Russian control, under the kingdom of Poland by conquest, independent, under Russian control by force, briefly independent, and may come under control of Russia again by force. It's no traditional European country.
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In fact that's been a European tradition for centuries. Just look at an old map and a new one. The European idea of having the croc eat you last has never really worked, yet despite this historical evidence most Europeans still embrace it.
 
I'm sure somewhere there's a plan or maybe more than one to take back all the USSR's old land holdings. I'm doubting though that this is Putin's aim.
 
Montecresto said:
Ok jmo, are you too advocating we engage Putin on the battlefield?
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Nobody is advocating war. But taking force off the table removes any and all leverage you have. If you rule out military action Putin just laughs in your face and does what he wants until someone actually provides military resistance.
 
Montecresto said:
You think Bush's punk ass talk and way of handling things bought him credibility in the world? You ever notice how close he stays to home?? It's time for other countries to stop hanging onto the US shirt tails, and take a little charge themselves. Now then, you can talk tuff or you can send in our military to engage the Russians, which do you prefer?
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What do you really think Obama will do? I would do nothing. Let them kill each other. It's just becoming ludicrous to watch the Obama Red Line Drawing party once again.
 
After bravado remarks yesterday, here is multi-Spokesman Rubio today.

Rubio against military strikes in Ukraine - POLITICO.com

Now that Rubio has taken strikes off the table, what's next?

How many foreign policy spokesman do you people need undercutting the President ?

jmotivator said:
Nobody is advocating war. But taking force off the table removes any and all leverage you have. If you rule out military action Putin just laughs in your face and does what he wants until someone actually provides military resistance.
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NIMBY said:
Since you ignore the gun votes, try their votes on Defense.
Or maybe their votes on the Farm Bill.
I'll admit that there aren't as many votes as usual since the House has said no more big bills this year,
and McConnell just filibustered the Veteran's bill .
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One cannot go on individual votes nor can one rely upon a bill's name. The Democrats allow vulnerable members to vote "against" the party as long as the Democrats have enough votes to win without them. The names of bills are often deceptive. Just look at the Affordable Care Act.
 
Grant said:
In fact that's been a European tradition for centuries. Just look at an old map and a new one. The European idea of having the croc eat you last has never really worked, yet despite this historical evidence most Europeans still embrace it.
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Europeans are pacifists. They couldn't even clean up the mess in the Balkans and came crying to the US.

Europeans haven't learned the lessons of Chamberlain and Hitler. Probably isn't taught in school.
 
zimmer said:
As for Obama...he leads from his behind.
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Since you slam Obama for leading from behind, let me add that the GOP leads from in front as a shield for Putin .
 
Misterveritis said:
One cannot go on individual votes nor can one rely upon a bill's name.
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Then why does the GOP focus on the vote of ACA.
Btw, there's a Blue-Dog named Childers in your neighboring MS running for the Senate who voted against ACA.
Who will win the bloody GOP primary, Cochran or McDaniel ?
 
Grant said:
Who authorizes and controls these situation? What about countries which can't afford them? Should we set up a fund?
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The emphasis is in non proliferation and ultimately elimination.
 
j-mac said:
"I am loyal to America first and prefer that we were that shinning city on a hill that Reagan dreamed about."

I smell something and it isn't roses....:lamo
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You thought Reagan was full of **** about that huh?
 
Grant said:
Sanctions are not an act of war, and obviously with troops lined up on the Ukrainian border he has designs on Europe. He even declared war.
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I decide whether or not what somebody has done to me has provoked a fight.
 
NIMBY said:
Since you slam Obama for leading from behind, let me add that the GOP leads from in front as a shield for Putin .
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Really?

What has Obama been doing but leading from (his) behind?

What was that that a hot mic picked up when Obama whispered to Medvedev that "after the election I have more flexibility"?

President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space.

President Medvedev: Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…

President Obama: This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.

President Medvedev: I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir.

President Obama Asks Medvedev for ‘Space’ on Missile Defense — ‘After My Election I Have More Flexibility’ - ABC News
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Remember? So much for your theory.

 
zimmer said:
What was that that a hot mic picked up when Obama whispered to Medvedev that "after the election I have more flexibility"?
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You go with that hot mic, I'll go with No Drama Obama.

I'll go with the current hot air from a dozen GOPs undercutting the President in a new crisis, just as with Syria.

Too bad you didn't get Romney, this could have been his 3rd war, right after Iran and Syria.
 
NIMBY said:
Then why does the GOP focus on the vote of ACA.
Btw, there's a Blue-Dog named Childers in your neighboring MS running for the Senate who voted against ACA.
Who will win the bloody GOP primary, Cochran or McDaniel ?
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Every democrat voted for the ACA.
No Republicans voted for the ACA.
 
NIMBY said:
Then why does the GOP focus on the vote of ACA.
Btw, there's a Blue-Dog named Childers in your neighboring MS running for the Senate who voted against ACA.
Who will win the bloody GOP primary, Cochran or McDaniel ?
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If true it shows that I am right that some people will be allowed to vote against a bill if the party has enough to win without his or her vote. For the parties it is all about keeping power.

I have no idea who will win or lose in Mississippi. It matters very little. Only winning the Article V fight can make a difference.
 
Try the House caucus.
Democratic Rep. Travis Childers from Mississippi voted against the ACA.
Once again, mister v speaks with forked tongue .
Misterveritis said:
Every democrat voted for the ACA.
No Republicans voted for the ACA.
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