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Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

PoS said:
I agree with you, EU should take the lead and I feel the US should stay out of it since personally I am politically an advocate for non-interventionism but however we did sign that treaty with them so you know... :doh
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Treaties are only legitimate if they infringe on an American's right to keep and bear arms.
 
notquiteright said:
I haven't read the treaty- does it say we will go to war if the Ukraine declares itself compromised? If anything the Russians are violating the treaty as they signed on to 'protect' the Ukraine's territory as well.

Not the same as the Sudetenland. In the Crimea, Russia has considered it Russian since the wars with the Turks. Charge of the Light Brigade and all that. Russia has maintained military bases in the Crimea for centuries- Germany had not in the Sudetenland. Russia seizing land from Finland would be a better comp for pre-WWII Germany.

But as best anyone can tell there is no land grab as in Georgia, but securing the lifelines back to Mother Russia. If Russian troops seal the penn and pour divisions into Crimea...THEN it is an invasion.
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And Iraq considered that Kuwait was its 19th Province.
 
Nothing to see here. Peace in out Time. Move along.

SBu said:
It seems to me that Russia is beefing up it's presence in Crimea because it has substantial assets and interests there. Russian military bases dot the Crimean peninsula. Who knows what organizations the people who nabbed the airport and ministry are, but until that becomes clear, we should not resort to too much speculation.

It doesn't seem like an invasion is taking place, and the territorial incursions are designed to secure Russian assets that Ukraine has allowed to operate via legal lease etc. So I don't think the context of the treaty has reached a tipping point. The gov't in Kiev can diffuse the situation if it shows some leadership and avoids provocation itself. This is something to watch carefully, however.
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Yeah, that is what the world said about Poland.

until the joint Invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 at the onset of World War II.​
Fortunately the Russians are cutting their Army down to only 350,000 troops to match what our dolt, I mean president, intends to do to ours. Am I wrong?
 
Re: Nothing to see here. Peace in out Time. Move along.

Misterveritis said:
Yeah, that is what the world said about Poland.

until the joint Invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union in 1939 at the onset of World War II.​
Fortunately the Russians are cutting their Army down to only 350,000 troops to match what our dolt, I mean president, intends to do to ours. Am I wrong?
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our sword arm is exhausted, and yet the gut reaction is to swing wildly.
 
NIMBY said:
I love these types of maps, with political science broken down categorically and using math.
My first thought was West and East Germany.
If I were a History teacher this week, this would be an ongoing current affairs topic.
And learning World Geography would be an intended consequence .
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Actually it looks like the US. Coasts are held by socialists and the fly-over country remains American held.
 
Did you miss the part of WORLD in World Geography, Myster v?
Not that a lot of the kids know our geography either.
Can you explain why fly-over country has has 24 DEM Senators, not including the 16 states that border the two oceans ?
Misterveritis said:
Actually it looks like the US. Coasts are held by socialists and the fly-over country remains American held.
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NIMBY said:
Did you miss the part of WORLD in World Geography, Myster v?
Not that a lot of the kids know our geography either.
Can you explain why fly-over country has has 24 DEM Senators, not including the 16 states that border the two oceans ?
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Sure. Democratic Senators lie. They pretend to be Moderate Democrats. They only vote with Obama, Reid and Pelosi 95% of the time. The second best thing to do is to vote them out and replace them with Republicans. The very best thing to do is vote them out and replace them with Constitutional Conservatives.
 
Misterveritis said:
Sure. Democratic Senators lie. They pretend to be Mooooderate Democorats.
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Do you know which DEM Senators voted with the GOP to sustain the filibuster on Toomey/Manchin, as just one issue ?
 
I think the best thing that can be done now is to wait. Russia hasn't officially stepped off of Crimea. There may be a peaceful way to resolve this (in terms of avoiding international conflict).
 
Misterveritis said:
. They only vote with Obama, Reid and Pelosi 95% of the time. The second best thing to do is to vote them out and replace them with Republicans. The very best thing to do is vote them out and replace them with Constitutional Conservatives.
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Good thing you don't follow politics from Montana down to New Mexico, from North Dakota to Texas, and from Minnesota to Louisiana .
 
NIMBY said:
Do you know which DEM Senators voted with the GOP to sustain the filibuster on Toomey/Manchin, as just one issue ?
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Those of us who have followed politics know that some endangered democrats (and republicans too) are excused from voting with the pack from time to time. It helps fool the rubes and keep the politicians in office.
 
Northern Light said:
I think the best thing that can be done now is to wait. Russia hasn't officially stepped off of Crimea. There may be a peaceful way to resolve this (in terms of avoiding international conflict).
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Capitulation works every time.
 
NIMBY said:
Good thing you don't follow politics from Montana down to New Mexico, from North Dakota to Texas, and from Minnesota to Louisiana .
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See post 136. I wrote it to help inform the young and foolish.
 
Jetboogieman said:
What are you talking about?

It was in Assads interest to do what he did because the only other option was annihilation.
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:lol: by whom?

Russia came up with it because they didn't want to lose one of their only middle east allies because they know the US would do to him what they did to Gaddafi.
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:lol: yeah, because man, Obama was really winning with that argument here at home, wasn't he? A real credible threat, that guy. :lol:

So this way Assad held on to power, Russia didn't lose it's middle east ally and Assad lost chemical weapons but would still get other Russian military aid.
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Assad is already way behind schedule delivering those chemical weapons, and the regime - sensing a lack of desire on the part of the U.S. to engage the issue - is already pushing back on the program of providing it in the first place. If you think Assad is giving up his chemical weapons, well, man, good on you, I guess.
 
NIMBY said:
Did you miss the part of WORLD in World Geography, Myster v?
Not that a lot of the kids know our geography either.
Can you explain why fly-over country has has 24 DEM Senators, not including the 16 states that border the two oceans ?
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:lol: yeah. Like Joe Manchin.
 
Since you ignore the gun votes, try their votes on Defense.
Or maybe their votes on the Farm Bill.
I'll admit that there aren't as many votes as usual since the House has said no more big bills this year,
and McConnell just filibustered the Veteran's bill .
Misterveritis said:
Those of us who have followed politics know that some endangered democrats (and republicans too) are excused from voting with the pack from time to time. It helps fool the rubes and keep the politicians in office.
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As you mention Joe Manchin, did you agree with the Toomey/Manchin gun bill being
filibustered by a few DEM Senators like Heitkamp from North Dakota ?
cpwill said:
:lol: yeah. Like Joe Manchin.
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cpwill said:
:lol: by whom?



:lol: yeah, because man, Obama was really winning with that argument here at home, wasn't he? A real credible threat, that guy. :lol:



Assad is already way behind schedule delivering those chemical weapons, and the regime - sensing a lack of desire on the part of the U.S. to engage the issue - is already pushing back on the program of providing it in the first place. If you think Assad is giving up his chemical weapons, well, man, good on you, I guess.
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Yeah, indeed that US-Russia agreement for Syria was such a big lie.
 
Coin said:
Yeah, indeed that US-Russia agreement for Syria was such a big lie.
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Yup. Everyone in the region saw that for what it was. Which is why al-Sisi in Egypt is now seeking out blessings from Russia instead of listening to the United States.



How's that "Smart Power" working out for ya?
 
cpwill said:
Assad is already way behind schedule delivering those chemical weapons, and the regime - sensing a lack of desire on the part of the U.S. to engage the issue - is already pushing back on the program of providing it in the first place. If you think Assad is giving up his chemical weapons, well, man, good on you, I guess.
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So are you back to using ASSad and Putin to damn the President ?
 
NIMBY said:
So are you back to using ASSad and Putin to damn the President ?
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Whether or not the President is dammed is between him and God. But Assad and Putin pretty thoroughly embarrassed him on the global stage. Or, he embarrassed himself, and they took advantage
 
Which is why Putin ordered Assad to give up his WMD.
And now you come back with Assad is not following through.
How would you feel if a GOP like Bush had this problem of not following through, since he would not have bombed Syria ?
cpwill said:
Whether or not the President is dammed is between him and God. But Assad and Putin pretty thoroughly embarrassed him on the global stage. Or, he embarrassed himself, and they took advantage
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Misterveritis said:
Capitulation works every time.
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Do you have some kind of evidence of reasoning behind why you think that would be capitulation?

Russia's military is stationed at its assets in the Crimea. If we intervened now it would make any future hostilities seem like our fault. The only way intervention can be justified when there is so much at stake would be if Russia moved into the rest of the Ukraine while not allowing the provisional government to do its job.

You're calling for war when it's far too early.
 
NIMBY said:
GOP senators seek trade actions against Russia - Eric Bradner - POLITICO.com
Cruz, Rubio, Corker want sanctions on Russia.
Nice of the Adults and Leaders of the GOP to voice the party's view .
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Here's Obama at his best telling Romney the Cold War is over. Obama to Romney in 2012 Debate: Cold War is Over (VIDEO)

Meanwhile the Left ridiculed Sarah Palin when she said "After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next".

Sarah Palin was right and the dangerously stupid Barrak Obama was wrong once again.
 
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