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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    This thread is so funny and devoid of facts and reality.

    First of all there are already were tons of Russian troops in the Crimea.. it is called the Russian Black Sea Fleet and this is what it is all about. The Ukraine opposition has for almost a decade wanted its hands on this fleet and the port of Sevastopol. That is why the Russians are acting the way they are and putting troops into the Crimea to prevent that the new Ukrainian government trying to seize the base and fleet. Putin and Russia will do anything to defend this critical piece of their military... it is their only winter fleet base they have.

    Secondly the Crimea was given to Ukraine during the Soviet period. It was never really part of historical Ukraine. The huge majority of people are Russians and want to be link to Russia. If you had a vote in the area even before the crisis, then they would vote by a massive margin to return to Russia.

    Thirdly calling Obama weak is kinda funny when Bush allowed Putin to invade and occupy a country similar to this... was Bush weak too?

    And finally what exactly can anyone do? Like it or not logistically any attempt to help the Ukrainians is bound to fail. Plus why should we care? The opposition aint exactly good either, and half the country hates the opposition. This is a mess that no one wants to get involved in, including the US with a right wing fanatic in the White House... no sane man would want that.

    No the Ukrainian opposition needs to make a deal with Russia instead of acting like spoilt brats. That they had to be told by the Poles that they should sign the present deal or expect to die.. shows how little sense of reality they have. They have no military backing internally and half the country wants to cede... so come on.. wake the hell up. To save face they need to hold a referendum in Crimea and areas to the east and let the people vote for what country they want to be part off. It is the only way out.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    and Russia will sustain itself how?
    Same way US and UK does.. print money.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Then you're saying that ASSad gave up his WMD on his own?
    Are you sure you want to stay with that?
    I'll stay with No Drama Obama instead of cowboy diplomacy from VP draft-dodger Cheney .
    Why add the last sentence? I agreed with the first two.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    This thread is so funny and devoid of facts and reality.

    First of all there are already were tons of Russian troops in the Crimea.. it is called the Russian Black Sea Fleet and this is what it is all about. The Ukraine opposition has for almost a decade wanted its hands on this fleet and the port of Sevastopol. That is why the Russians are acting the way they are and putting troops into the Crimea to prevent that the new Ukrainian government trying to seize the base and fleet. Putin and Russia will do anything to defend this critical piece of their military... it is their only winter fleet base they have.

    Secondly the Crimea was given to Ukraine during the Soviet period. It was never really part of historical Ukraine. The huge majority of people are Russians and want to be link to Russia. If you had a vote in the area even before the crisis, then they would vote by a massive margin to return to Russia.

    Thirdly calling Obama weak is kinda funny when Bush allowed Putin to invade and occupy a country similar to this... was Bush weak too?

    And finally what exactly can anyone do? Like it or not logistically any attempt to help the Ukrainians is bound to fail. Plus why should we care? The opposition aint exactly good either, and half the country hates the opposition. This is a mess that no one wants to get involved in, including the US with a right wing fanatic in the White House... no sane man would want that.

    No the Ukrainian opposition needs to make a deal with Russia instead of acting like spoilt brats. That they had to be told by the Poles that they should sign the present deal or expect to die.. shows how little sense of reality they have. They have no military backing internally and half the country wants to cede... so come on.. wake the hell up. To save face they need to hold a referendum in Crimea and areas to the east and let the people vote for what country they want to be part off. It is the only way out.
    It's a civil war in the making. If we thought the ME was bad, this is potentially way worse.

    And people keep saying, "only if the Ukraine had nukes". What, they're going to irradiate themselves with Russia being right next door?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Because of the intense slamming of Obama that is completely out-of-line.
    A little reference to the last decade, which has caused this decade, is needed with such partisanship.
    What's wrong with supporting the 'No Drama Obama' doctrine?

    BHO gets attacked from every conceivable fraction of the GOP in every foreign event,
    giving Russia a sense that BHO is on his own in the USA, which he is .
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    Why add the last sentence? I agreed with the first two.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Because of the intense slamming of Obama that is completely out-of-line.
    A little reference to the last decade, which has caused this decade, is needed with such partisanship.
    What's wrong with supporting the 'No Drama Obama' doctrine?

    BHO gets attacked from every conceivable fraction of the GOP in every foreign event,
    giving Russia a sense that BHO is on his own in the USA, which he is .

    That's no reason to ruin perfectly good points with partisan rhetoric.

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    I predict that the USA will not go to war with Russia over the Ukraine.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's a civil war in the making. If we thought the ME was bad, this is potentially way worse.

    And people keep saying, "only if the Ukraine had nukes". What, they're going to irradiate themselves with Russia being right next door?
    I don't see a lot of difference between the Middle East and the Balkan States.
    Seems to be the cradle of unrest in the World, with overlapping cultures .
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I predict that the USA will not go to war with Russia over the Ukraine.
    Why the **** would we want to? That's what I can't figure out about the right-wingers here. What do they want to happen?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Incidents like this is exactly the reason why Iran wants and needs nukes, I bet the Ukrainians are kicking themselves now for giving up their nukes.



    Right.

    Toe to toe nuclear combat is lots of fun, eh?

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