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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    'VLAD THE BAD STEALS A MARCH ON THE WEST
    by Eric Margolis


    Soviet leader Josef Stalin used to shrug off critics by his favorite Central Asian saying: “The dogs bark; the caravan moves on.”
    Russia’s hard-eyed president, Vladimir Putin, is following the same strategy over Ukraine and Crimea....

    ....

    ....The US won’t accept that Russia has any legitimate spheres of influence, while Washington’s span the globe. Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry, who used to be a sensible fellow before becoming corrupted by power, blasted Russia: “you just don’t invade a country under a phony pretext!”

    I guess Kerry has never heard of the US invasions of the Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Libya. Or can’t remember Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin “incident.” Kerry should cut the hypocrisy and get to work on a diplomatic settlement. Two major nuclear-armed powers cannot – must not – be allowed to confront one another.

    Ukraine could turn out to be the 1914 Bosnia-Herzegovina of our era if we don’t stop primitive breast-beating over a region no one could even find on a map until recently'

    VLAD THE BAD STEALS A MARCH ON THE WEST « Eric Margolis
    That's an excellent article. I agree with much of what he says, but I disagree that Putin can be said to be simply acting in his own nation's best interests. He is acting in Russia's best interests, but slyly, hypocritically and pretty ruthlessly. This passage is very apropos:
    Last week, US Secretary of State John Kerry, who used to be a sensible fellow before becoming corrupted by power, blasted Russia: “you just don’t invade a country under a phony pretext!”

    I guess Kerry has never heard of the US invasions of the Dominican Republic, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Haiti, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Libya. Or can’t remember Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin “incident.”
    The author however fails to remind us of Putin's elegant and verbose criticisms of the US and its allies' interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Afghanistan (twice - 1980 & 2001), Iraq, Georgia, Kosovo and that list above, have all been justified with disingenuous, self-serving rationalisations. 'Preventive war', 'humanitarian protection of civilian populations' or 'democracy building' - they're all weasel words invented by resurgent imperialists.

    This article makes some good points too:
    Putin’s casus belli may be one he manufactured largely by himself, but so was George W. Bush’s case for going to war in Iraq. America’s perma-hawks — the politicians and pundits who beat the drums for intervention in Iraq and now criticize President Obama for insufficient bellicosity about Ukraine — need to explain why the infinitely self-serving doctrine of “preventive war,” which they used to justify our Iraq adventure, should be reserved for us alone. Russia’s military installations in Crimea, Putin has said, were threatened by Ukrainian revolutionaries. When power needs a threat to justify its exercise, power invariably finds one. (My emphasis)
    So, we can all be clear. Neither the mobilisation of Russian forces in the Crimea, nor the forthcoming referendum, nor the motivations behind the leaders of the Kiev coup, nor the coordinated outrage of the Western powers have really anything to do with either the promotion or preservation of democracy. The West ignores democratic concerns when it suits - witness the silence on the military counter-coup in Egypt - and Russia ignores elected leaders when it suits, and cries croco-democratic tears when that seems expedient. The US imposes or denigrates the Monroe doctrine at will, according to whim, tide and Wall Street.

    Whatever the unrest in Ukraine is really about, three things you can categorically say it is NOT about, are democracy, human rights and respect for the rule of international law.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    Good that the man was betrayed? Why is that?
    Good that you acknowledge the US's hypocritical intrigue in Pakistan.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Obviously, I just think you're a weirdo.
    And the reason for your claim is what exactly?
    That I find people who vote to send troops to war and then stab them in the back... both for political advantage... worse vile scum?

    This oughta be good.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good that you acknowledge the US's hypocritical intrigue in Pakistan.
    That would be Barrack Obama, not the entire country.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That would be Barrack Obama, not the entire country.
    It's never the entire country.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That would be Barrack Obama, not the entire country.
    Then you shouldn't have said it was.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then you shouldn't have said it was.
    What?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    And the reason for your claim is what exactly?
    That I find people who vote to send troops to war and then stab them in the back... both for political advantage... worse vile scum?

    This oughta be good.
    That you call like a hundred million people "evil scum" because they don't agree with you on your interpretation of events and purposely spell their names wrong in order to....I don't know what...yeah, that's weird. Is that something that adults normally do, where you're from?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What?
    You are lost, Mate!
    Good that you acknowledge the US's hypocritical intrigue in Pakistan.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Good that you acknowledge the US's hypocritical intrigue in Pakistan.
    And what hypocritical intrigue would that be?
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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