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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yes, the planning and execution of the Iraq invasion was absolutely pathetic.
    The invasion itself was a masterpiece. The problem was that there was no real plan (or no good one anyway) for what to do the day after.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The invasion itself was a masterpiece. The problem was that there was no real plan (or no good one anyway) for what to do the day after.
    Well yes. The first month or two was fine. I was at Haditha Dam, things like that weren't the problem.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The invasion itself was a masterpiece. The problem was that there was no real plan (or no good one anyway) for what to do the day after.
    I think half the plan was expecting they wouldn't have to follow through with the attack. Have you ever heard of a "clean" war? Way too many variables to account for, and once it happens, that why you need good military leaders on the ground. Not political hacks.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What was the last American foreign policy action you agreed with?
    Repealing the Platt amendment, The Tydings McDuffie Act, The Bell Commission, more recently, the temporary deal Obama just made with Iran and the deal struck with Russia to remove WMD from Syria.

    Essentially, foreign policy that's aimed squarely at empowering, freeing and improving the lot of people's, seemingly at least without some hidden agenda that ends in denying those things. Foreign policy that has advanced peace, and at the very least postponed war, or policies that make citizens everywhere safer.

    But we're talking about the Ukraine, and bad or as others here have pointed out, hypocritical foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I think half the plan was expecting they wouldn't have to follow through with the attack. Have you ever heard of a "clean" war? Way too many variables to account for, and once it happens, that why you need good military leaders on the ground. Not political hacks.
    Sounds like good reason to avoid unnecessary wars, too!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Our mistake is pretending that Pakistan is anything but our enemy. It's gotten to the point that they know that they can do anything short of directly attacking US troops without receiving an iota of consequences in return. As long as we continue our policy of kissing Islamabad's ass, the Taliban can rely on a steady supply of aid from Pakistan and it is virtually guaranteed that they'll be able to severely destabilize Afghanistan and thus colonize it for Pakistan.
    Not insisting that Dr. Shakil Afridi be released, the man who pointed out the whereabouts of bin Laden, is one of the weakest points in the Obama Administration, and underlines strongly the point you are making. Obama takes the credit while the real hero suffers life in a Pakistani prison.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol wtf
    Yes... vile scum... when you send troops to war and then stab them in the back and both actions are done for political expediency... that lot is lower than scum. That lot is the Demokrats.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes... vile scum... when you send troops to war and then stab them in the back and both actions are done for political expediency... that lot is lower than scum. That lot is the Demokrats.
    Okay, well you're pretty weird.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Not insisting that Dr. Shakil Afridi be released, the man who pointed out the whereabouts of bin Laden, is one of the weakest points in the Obama Administration, and underlines strongly the point you are making. Obama takes the credit while the real hero suffers life in a Pakistani prison.
    It's not just an Obama thing - our appeasement of the thugs who run Pakistan has been going on since the Nixon administration. The fact that Afridi was thrown in jail on trumped up charges speaks to the fact that Pakistan sees al-Qaeda as an asset rather than an enemy.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The invasion itself was a masterpiece. The problem was that there was no real plan (or no good one anyway) for what to do the day after.
    Absolutely. When dealing with terrorists its best to just bomb the hell out of them, have boots on the ground, and a constant 'surge'. Repeat until the message is clear and any sign of totalitarianism has disappeared, as was the case in Germany and Japan. Once that is complete then it's time to introduce education and an introduction to the modern world.

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