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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The only thing that involved Libya was Qadafi's imperial ambition.
    It looks like you are guilty of the same desire for vengeance that Gaddafi must have had.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    The sovereignty of nations that allow enemies of the US to fester within their own borders? So sue us.


    International law guarantees every member state the right to self-defense

    Not with snipers.


    It's really no less maddening than the constant stream of nonsense you spew to attack any and all US foreign policy. While I am perfectly content with criticizing military action when I see it as unjust or useless (Vietnam, Dominican Republic, WWI), I have never seen you defend any war of any kind taken part in by a Western nation, even the obvious case of just war that was WWII. In the meanwhile, you always apologize for and explain away the actions of anti-Western dictatorships and autocracies.
    Right, so no use for sovereign borders, unless its another country abusing them.

    The drone use is not self defense, particularly when more civilians are killed than alleged enemy combatants.

    The snipers were protester provocateurs.

    I don't attack any and all US foreign policy. Most of it is conducted quietly behind the scenes by our ambassadors through our state department and is routine business. You know well its the part of our foreign policy that meddles in the internal affairs of sovereign countries, up to and including the overthrow of governments, both overtly and covertly that I protest against.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    What was the last American foreign policy action you agreed with?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    What was the last American foreign policy action you agreed with?
    My last was Iraq and Afghanistan in '03. I was in the Army during Desert Storm, and agree to going in Iraq for Saddam's chronic defiance of the agreements he made to stop us from ousting him then.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    My last was Iraq and Afghanistan in '03. I was in the Army during Desert Storm, and agree to going in Iraq for Saddam's chronic defiance of the agreements he made to stop us from ousting him then.
    That was to Monte, but thank you. I agreed with Iraq, not with Afghanistan. Works out: went to Iraq three times, never went to Afghanistan.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That was to Monte, but thank you. I agreed with Iraq, not with Afghanistan. Works out: went to Iraq three times, never went to Afghanistan.
    I think once we took the Taliban out of power, we should have left. We have been there too long now.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    It looks like you are guilty of the same desire for vengeance that Gaddafi must have had.
    The Chadians never did anything in or to Libya that would call for vengeance. Most Libyans never even knew the Chadian civil war had touched their country. Qaddafi's war in Chad was purely about his imperial ambition. The Chadians did at one time contemplate offensive operations into Libya. After they had destroyed the bulk of Libyan mobile formations in Chad and reduced the Libyans to one garrison in the Aouzou strip, Chadians knew that garrison was the only thing standing between them and a free hand hundreds of miles into the Libyan desert. That would have produced more lopsided Chadian victories because they could operate at high effectiveness for extended periods in the "trackless" (but not to them) desert. Libyans didn't know their way and were always tied to supply lines. Unfortunately the Chadians fell to fighting among themselves and let the Libyans off the hook.

    Historical note: The Chadian capital Ndjamena was known as Fort Lamy during the French colonial period. French named it for one Lieutenant Lamy, who was sent into the desert to advise the tribes that they were under French rule. The Chadians returned his skin to the French.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    I agreed with Iraq, not with Afghanistan.
    I'm the reverse. Although I'm highly sympathetic to the invasion of Iraq, I think the focus should have been more on Afghanistan; and in any case, it's clear that the manner in which we invaded Iraq severely damaged our ability to conduct other interventions in the Middle East (even if you agree with the war itself).
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I think once we took the Taliban out of power, we should have left. We have been there too long now.
    Our mistake is pretending that Pakistan is anything but our enemy. It's gotten to the point that they know that they can do anything short of directly attacking US troops without receiving an iota of consequences in return. As long as we continue our policy of kissing Islamabad's ass, the Taliban can rely on a steady supply of aid from Pakistan and it is virtually guaranteed that they'll be able to severely destabilize Afghanistan and thus colonize it for Pakistan.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'm the reverse. Although I'm highly sympathetic to the invasion of Iraq, I think the focus should have been more on Afghanistan; and in any case, it's clear that the manner in which we invaded Iraq severely damaged our ability to conduct other interventions in the Middle East (even if you agree with the war itself).
    Yes, the planning and execution of the Iraq invasion was absolutely pathetic.
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