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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Then why did you say 20 years? Backtracking much?
    Not backtracking at all. It's just a round number where Gaddafi was actually reaching out and helping the rest of northern Africa that was in need.

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    I would get rid of it ASAP, since I'm supposedly collaborating with MI6 to dismantle the Khan network.
    It would make nice bait for that purpose, wouldn't it?

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    The difference is that the US isn't a repressive dictatorship with a cult of personality around our leader.
    I accept this as a dislike for him, but then why are we attacking Libya instead of the 100 other nations or so that are worse yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    What would you do if a politician seized absolute power for 40 years and fired on protestors who criticized him? Our own precedent if anything should demonstrate the right of a people to violent revolution against tyranny.
    Have you ever watched those videos that claimed he had his military fire on protesters? Even see how many weapons they were carrying and who fired the first shots...

    LOL @ Calling a rebel militia protesters...

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    There is no Western propaganda machine, just a sensationalist media. And even if it did exist, it hardly had any convincing to do - Gaddafi vowing to search every home in Benghazi and wipe out the rebel "rats" spoke for itself.
    How many other leaders do you wish to decimate because they don't follow the constitution of the United States?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You have to take his "word" for it, isn't that funny?
    I usually agree with Jack, but not on this issue.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Fools are not able to dismiss anyone.
    Makes you feel macho huh. What are you worth, a 1943 zinc penny. Little boy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Your snappy one liners are not sufficient proof for people who are intelligent and can think for themselves.
    You're talking to something that would require you to bend below anything you could ever imagine. Many of the people you engage here are or have worked for the US government. Only occasionally will you find an honest person. Apologists are the norm.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Obviously you are in propaganda mode. Go ahead, throw everything you can dream up at the wall and only defend those things that look like they might stick. I wouldnít argue with me either if I were you but I appreciate your compliment and Iím disappointed that youíre taking your toys and going home so soon.

    I understand. Truth is hard to defend because it takes serious thought and steadfastness. Propaganda is easy because it isnít anchored in truth, which takes serious thought, steadfastness and way more work than a propagandist is willing to put in.

    When your propaganda tour is finished and you have time for the real world, look me up.
    Well then, aren't you just a little bad ass dude. Prolly think you have something big down there too!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Actually, half the people I've seen talk about it have brought that irony up.

    There's no conspiracy.
    I'm not talking about conspiracy. I'm talking about hypocrisy!
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Jalil's testimony is good enough until evidence surfaces to refute his claim. Besides, Gaddafi was a destabilizing and anti-Western force in more instances than just Lockerbie.
    If that's what it was all about, why weren't previous U.S. governments trying to topple Gaddafi decades ago? Instead, they imposed sanctions, and Bush II worked out a deal where sanctions would be lifted in exchange for Libya giving up it's nuclear development program. What's the underlying message to any other nations with secret weapons programs? You should be able to connect the dots here.

    What really makes me sick about...what qualifies as news coverage these days, is that as soon as Gaddafi was overthrown - end of story...time to move on to the next international train wreck. In Libya, Obama has done what Bush accomplished with his "regime change" operations - left behind failed states that are violent and ungovernable! Except for Benghazigate...the storming of the American Consulate (recruitment center) that led to the death of the U.S. ambassador, there are no followup stories on Libya. Or, there are, if you go to CNN International for the story: Two Libyan lawmakers shot as protesters storm congress, members say
    At least two members of Libya's General National Congress were shot and wounded after protesters stormed its headquarters in Tripoli on Sunday evening, according to congress members........................................... ..............
    Violence levels in the city have spiked over recent weeks with assassinations, kidnappings and bombings becoming near daily occurrences in the city that was the cradle of Libya's revolution.

    While no group has claimed responsibility for the rising violence in Benghazi, residents and officials blame the violence on Islamist extremist groups.

    Last week security forces found the bodies of seven Egyptian Christians dumped west of the city.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you're ok with Americans being hoodwinked by the government, just as long as you're in favour of what they're doing, or expanding the operation beyond the UN resolution, if you like the purpose of the expansion. Or maybe you're just generally ok with US intrigue, conspiracy, deceit, disregard for national sovereignty, human rights, international law, respect for our ally's, everything , if you think it advances American interests, dispute the fact that they are rarely if ever going to be your interests. Unless you happen to own a large international corporation, happen to own a defense contacting corporation etc.
    Or maybe Madlib means Obamabot liberal - everything a Democratic president does, must not be criticized....even if he's doing exactly the same things as the vilified Republican president.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    You were making a false moral equivalence, comparing non-targets accidentally killed in a legitimate operation to protests being fired upon by armed policemen (some of them using snipers).

    By the way, the protests were originally peaceful until the Ukrainian government used riot police to disperse them.
    The demonstrators started firebombing the police several days before those shooting occurred! I would agree that the sniper attacks were likely from police or some other irregular militia supporting the Government; but who do you think you're kidding, saying the protests were originally peaceful?

    This all detracts from the question I had when this whole Maidan movement thing started building up to topple the Government - did the U.S. or European interests really thing they were going to add the Ukraine as another notch on their belts of former Soviet republics that now have NATO bases and economies dominated by western corporations and banks? Or, did they not really care about what Ukraine would look like after it officially or unofficially divides between western and Russian sections?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    No global army without a global tax and proportional global participation.
    So let's get it going.

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