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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You'll just have to take my word for it. I know that's unsatisfactory. That part is out of my hands.
    Your snappy one liners are not sufficient proof for people who are intelligent and can think for themselves.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Your snappy one liners are not sufficient proof for people who are intelligent and can think for themselves.
    Maybe so, but what does that have to do with you?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Maybe so, but what does that have to do with you?
    Just trying to help you improve yourself

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

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    Just trying to help you improve yourself
    As you wish.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    What did he do in the last 20 years that deserved being taken out?
    Why are you limiting it to the past twenty years? He ruled for four decades, and most of the bad stuff that he did occurred then. You clearly have an agenda by only limiting potential criticism of him to only half of his reign.

    However, he was an eager customer of A. Q. Khan's nuclear proliferation network. Even though he claimed to have gotten rid of the weapons he bought, they were uncovered after his downfall.
    What did the Libyan people do to deserve going from 53 on the HDI to 64?
    Libya's standing on the HDI was decreased by the civil war, not because of the NATO intervention. It would have been just as bad if Gaddafi won as it was when the rebels won.

    Propaganda is what convinced you that he needed to be taken out. What authoritarian country do you live in anyway? Guilty until proven innocent.
    Yes, Gaddafi's propaganda speech, in which he announced that he would go door-to-door to hunt the opposition and that he would show no mercy to the rebels, is what convinces me that he needed to be taken out.
    I'll bet you even approve of the way the people capturing Gaddafi killed him, without trial.
    I don't approve of it, but he deserved it.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You'll just have to take my word for it. I know that's unsatisfactory. That part is out of my hands.
    Damn strait it's not acceptable. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty. If he was guilty that many years back, he should have been taken out back then. Not as a weasel excuse for what was done a few years ago. Especially since Libya was progressing so far.

    Are you in favor of what the "Arab Spring" is doing?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I wasn't trying to do that. Seems that's what you're working on. This started with me pointing out that another poster is concerned about the death of civilians until its US drone strikes killing them (not terrorists) until you polluted it. Find somebody else to pull that **** on, I'll not be playing your game.
    Obviously you are in propaganda mode. Go ahead, throw everything you can dream up at the wall and only defend those things that look like they might stick. I wouldnít argue with me either if I were you but I appreciate your compliment and Iím disappointed that youíre taking your toys and going home so soon.

    I understand. Truth is hard to defend because it takes serious thought and steadfastness. Propaganda is easy because it isnít anchored in truth, which takes serious thought, steadfastness and way more work than a propagandist is willing to put in.

    When your propaganda tour is finished and you have time for the real world, look me up.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Why are you limiting it to the past twenty years? He ruled for four decades, and most of the bad stuff that he did occurred then. You clearly have an agenda by only limiting potential criticism of him to only half of his reign.
    I don't care it it's 5 years or 50 years. If the facts were verifiable he was guilty, we should have assassinated him those many years back. Not use it as a sissy excuse to justify sanctioning murder in recent times.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    However, he was an eager customer of A. Q. Khan's nuclear proliferation network. Even though he claimed to have gotten rid of the weapons he bought, they were uncovered after his downfall.
    Are you talking about the yellowcake they found? Whoop-te-do... It is a commodity you know. That is no proof that he didn't stop his nuclear program like he claimed. What would you do? Hide it or wait for things to settle before selling it for its value? Do you know his intent, or is it your bias that guides you?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Libya's standing on the HDI was decreased by the civil war, not because of the NATO intervention. It would have been just as bad if Gaddafi won as it was when the rebels won.
    Wrong.

    If we didn't intervene, making Saddam unable to respond to the factions against him, the armed factions against him would have been killed rather than so many innocent people arounf the whole process. There would have never been a civil war if we didn't make it possible. We are directly responsible for all the harm done to the people in Libya these last few years.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Yes, Gaddafi's propaganda speech, in which he announced that he would go door-to-door to hunt the opposition and that he would show no mercy to the rebels, is what convinces me that he needed to be taken out.
    Would you have mercy if rebel forces in the USA started killing government officials in your state? What would you expect out government to do? Why is it OK in your view for rebels to operate in another country, but not your home town?
    I don't approve of it, but he deserved it.[/QUOTE]
    We seriously disagree here. The western propaganda machine convinced people he was targeting innocent people, when he was getting rid of criminal elements. You guys all fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

    Question...

    Will a Libya be better off with the leader who replaces Gaddafi? The rebels fighting for Sharia law in Libya... Is that better than the limited tolerance Gaddafi had for others?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I don't care it it's 5 years or 50 years.
    Then why did you say 20 years? Backtracking much?

    Are you talking about the yellowcake they found? Whoop-te-do... It is a commodity you know. That is no proof that he didn't stop his nuclear program like he claimed. What would you do? Hide it or wait for things to settle before selling it for its value? Do you know his intent, or is it your bias that guides you?
    I would get rid of it ASAP, since I'm supposedly collaborating with MI6 to dismantle the Khan network.

    Wrong.

    If we didn't intervene, making Saddam unable to respond to the factions against him, the armed factions against him would have been killed rather than so many innocent people arounf the whole process. There would have never been a civil war if we didn't make it possible. We are directly responsible for all the harm done to the people in Libya these last few years.
    The civil war had already begun by the time we intervened. Alright, I'll grant that we made it last longer by preventing Gaddafi from exterminating the rebels.

    BTW Saddam?
    Would you have mercy if rebel forces in the USA started killing government officials in your state? What would you expect out government to do? Why is it OK in your view for rebels to operate in another country, but not your home town?
    The difference is that the US isn't a repressive dictatorship with a cult of personality around our leader.

    What would you do if a politician seized absolute power for 40 years and fired on protestors who criticized him? Our own precedent if anything should demonstrate the right of a people to violent revolution against tyranny.
    We seriously disagree here. The western propaganda machine convinced people he was targeting innocent people, when he was getting rid of criminal elements. You guys all fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
    There is no Western propaganda machine, just a sensationalist media. And even if it did exist, it hardly had any convincing to do - Gaddafi vowing to search every home in Benghazi and wipe out the rebel "rats" spoke for itself.
    Will a Libya be better off with the leader who replaces Gaddafi? The rebels fighting for Sharia law in Libya... Is that better than the limited tolerance Gaddafi had for others?
    Gaddafi tolerated people unless they didn't like his government.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Please show us your evidence, or is his guilt just your opinion?
    You have to take his "word" for it, isn't that funny?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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