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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    But who does it hurt first? Not Russia. EU will blink first.
    I dont know....

    If Russia was really confident, they would have turned the spigot off on Ukraine already. They have not done so yet. My guess is that the Russians really need every gas sale they make just to keep going.

    But, the Russians also have an advantage. Putin is not only well, relentless in his pursuit of Russian interests, but is also highly intelligent. My bet is that though Russia would get hurt more than the EU in an embargo, none of their leaders and nobody in the Obama adminstration has the nerve and experience to call Putin's bluff and then out play him.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    doing a war on economic terms it hurt more the EU.
    Russia will block the gas, and EU will block the oranges.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I have a felling the UK wont do anything without US involvement. Now its crunch time for Obama.
    Yeah. Remember this?

    Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election




    So, let's see. Russia has now completely outmaneuvered our Naif-King President in Poland, Iran, Syria, and Egypt.

    Why in the world anyone would suspect that Obama is even capable of making an informed decision on how to effectively counter Putin here is beyond me. If he has that ability, he sure is hiding it well.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Obama should just keep quiet on the subject. Putin knows Obama won't lift one finger to help the Ukraine out. Warning Putin not to act only will embolden him, because nothing is more popular in Russia than thumbing their noses at the U.S. And Putin knows he has nothing to fear from our feckless leader. Making a stand against our countries enemies just isn't in his political makeup. Maybe he can go teach constitutional law to them until they all fall asleep.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why in the world anyone would suspect that Obama is even capable of making an informed decision on how to effectively counter Putin here is beyond me. If he has that ability, he sure is hiding it well.
    Why would Putin have given in to Obama and ordered ASSad to give up his chemical weapons?
    Which side of the GOP am I talking to here, the war-mongers or the isolationists ?
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Russia has now completely outmaneuvered our Naif-King President in Poland, Iran, Syria, and Egypt.
    Oh hey, anybody remember this guy? Man, what a maroon, eh?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Why would Putin have given in to Obama and ordered ASSad to give up his chemical weapons?
    He wouldn't have. It wasn't in his interest to do so, and he knew full well that U.S. foreign policy was too weak to change that equation.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He wouldn't have. It wasn't in his interest to do so, and he knew full well that U.S. foreign policy was too weak to change that equation.
    What are you talking about?

    It was in Assads interest to do what he did because the only other option was annihilation.

    Russia came up with it because they didn't want to lose one of their only middle east allies because they know the US would do to him what they did to Gaddafi.

    So this way Assad held on to power, Russia didn't lose it's middle east ally and Assad lost chemical weapons but would still get other Russian military aid.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    And where does Russia get its cash whilst going into a costly war with Ukraine?
    Russia will print the money. It has it's own currency. But this will short and quick. It's pretty easy to take over a country, harder part is holding it.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Then you're saying that ASSad gave up his WMD on his own?
    Are you sure you want to stay with that?
    I'll stay with 'No Drama Obama' doctrine .
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    He wouldn't have. It wasn't in his interest to do so, and he knew full well that U.S. foreign policy was too weak to change that equation.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 03-01-14 at 01:41 PM.
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