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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you're ok with Americans being hoodwinked by the government, just as long as you're in favour of what they're doing, or expanding the operation beyond the UN resolution, if you like the purpose of the expansion. Or maybe you're just generally ok with US intrigue, conspiracy, deceit, disregard for national sovereignty, human rights, international law, respect for our ally's, everything , if you think it advances American interests, dispute the fact that they are rarely if ever going to be your interests. Unless you happen to own a large international corporation, happen to own a defense contacting corporation etc.
    Qaddafi was guilty. No conspiracy required. The world is a better place without him.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you're ok with Americans being hoodwinked by the government, just as long as you're in favour of what they're doing,
    Don't you remember when I condemned the WMD lie?
    or expanding the operation beyond the UN resolution, if you like the purpose of the expansion.
    The UN resolution was irrelevant, considering the Libyan government that we recognized gave us permission to conduct airstrikes.
    Or maybe you're just generally ok with US intrigue, conspiracy, deceit, disregard for national sovereignty, human rights, international law, respect for our ally's, everything , if you think it advances American interests, dispute the fact that they are rarely if ever going to be your interests. Unless you happen to own a large international corporation, happen to own a defense contacting corporation etc.
    I see that you're trying to paint me as some establishment hack, which I'm clearly not. I've condemned Vietnam, Iran-Contra, the NSA scandal, etc., but when I believe a foreign policy action is just I will support it. Everyone benefits when a dictator who blows up planes is overthrown.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    So you're ok with Americans being hoodwinked by the government, just as long as you're in favour of what they're doing, or expanding the operation beyond the UN resolution, if you like the purpose of the expansion. Or maybe you're just generally ok with US intrigue, conspiracy, deceit, disregard for national sovereignty, human rights, international law, respect for our ally's, everything , if you think it advances American interests, dispute the fact that they are rarely if ever going to be your interests. Unless you happen to own a large international corporation, happen to own a defense contacting corporation etc.
    So much to refute, both opinion-wise and logical-wise....all in one post. Incredible.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Don't you remember when I condemned the WMD lie?

    The UN resolution was irrelevant, considering the Libyan government that we recognized gave us permission to conduct airstrikes.


    I see that you're trying to paint me as some establishment hack, which I'm clearly not. I've condemned Vietnam, Iran-Contra, the NSA scandal, etc., but when I believe a foreign policy action is just I will support it. Everyone benefits when a dictator who blows up planes is overthrown.
    The WMD lie in Iraq?! Yes. The mission in Libya however was use of force to protect Libyan civilians, not regime change. And you're quite aware that the covert work on the ground was done far ahead of time to build a unity government that we would latter public ally recognise, that would invite us to do air strikes. Americans were told it was for the purpose of protecting civilians. You also know that Mad. You also know that that is why we were unable to secure a similar resolution for Syria. Let the president tell the American people we need to go into, pick your country, and take out the dictatorship because the world will be a better place.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So much to refute, both opinion-wise and logical-wise....all in one post. Incredible.
    And you, we're dismissed some time ago!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you, we're dismissed some time ago!
    lol??
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you, we're dismissed some time ago!
    Fools are not able to dismiss anyone.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Jalil's testimony is good enough until evidence surfaces to refute his claim. Besides, Gaddafi was a destabilizing and anti-Western force in more instances than just Lockerbie.
    Yep.

    He wanted to be paid in gold.

    What did he do in the last 20 years that deserved being taken out?

    What did the Libyan people do to deserve going from 53 on the HDI to 64?

    Propaganda is what convinced you that he needed to be taken out. What authoritarian country do you live in anyway? Guilty until proven innocent.

    I'll bet you even approve of the way the people capturing Gaddafi killed him, without trial.

    It's amazing what people are willing to support because of their biased opinions of facts.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Qaddafi was guilty. No conspiracy required. The world is a better place without him.
    Please show us your evidence, or is his guilt just your opinion?

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Please show us your evidence, or is his guilt just your opinion?
    You'll just have to take my word for it. I know that's unsatisfactory. That part is out of my hands.
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