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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Perhaps we have broader experience of the world than you.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It all started the same way. And dude really. The protesters turned terrorists in Syria aren't coming to get you. Relax.
    So what if they started the same way? US drones weren’t killing protesters in Syria when it started and they aren’t killing protestors in Ukraine either. If you want to argue the morality of drone strikes on real terrorists, I’m pretty sure there’s a thread for that somewhere. If you were attempting to portray the Ukrainian protestors as equivalent to terrorists who end up as US drone casualties, you failed miserably.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So what if they started the same way? US drones weren’t killing protesters in Syria when it started and they aren’t killing protestors in Ukraine either. If you want to argue the morality of drone strikes on real terrorists, I’m pretty sure there’s a thread for that somewhere. If you were attempting to portray the Ukrainian protestors as equivalent to terrorists who end up as US drone casualties, you failed miserably.
    But I wasn't trying to do that. Seems that's what you're working on. This started with me pointing out that another poster is concerned about the death of civilians until its US drone strikes killing them (not terrorists) until you polluted it. Find somebody else to pull that **** on, I'll not be playing your game.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Interesting link:

    Crimean Premier Says Ukrainian Military Units Have Started to Surrender

    The prime minister of Crimea, the autonomous Ukrainian republic seized by Russian military forces, said Tuesday that most Ukrainian military units on the Crimean Peninsula had surrendered and pledged allegiance to his pro-Russian government, and that local officials were working to speed up a referendum on independence from Ukraine.

    Speaking at a news conference on Tuesday morning, Prime Minister Sergei Aksyonov said that Crimean officials were in control of the security situation, even as standoffs continued between Russian forces and Ukrainian troops at several military installations, including at a base near the Belbek airport, near Sevastopol.

    “There is no safety threat to human life in Crimea,” Mr. Aksyonov said.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    that's why I think most of the people on the forum are either ignorant or are actually disinformation agents. they worry more about foreign countries than they do their own.
    There are other threads where you can express worry over your own country.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is a conspiracy section elsewhere on these boards.
    And it was a conspiracy that left a trail of evidence in mainstream media! But, that's how MSM simplifies and distills complex issues into easy, simple soundbites that they want to fill the heads of their low-info audience. They just keep repeating the same crap over and over again, and no one on the news mentions the irony of John Kerry's statement about 'invading a sovereign nation being a violation of international law.'
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    They just keep repeating the same crap over and over again, and no one on the news mentions the irony of John Kerry's statement about 'invading a sovereign nation being a violation of international law.'
    Actually, half the people I've seen talk about it have brought that irony up.

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    So...

    Am I to understand you believe in revenge, over an incident that was never proven to be under his direction?

    Doesn't sound like you are interested in justice.

    The word of one man, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, claiming Gaddafi ordered it... That because a prominent part of the restructuring? maybe he had an agenda.
    Jalil's testimony is good enough until evidence surfaces to refute his claim. Besides, Gaddafi was a destabilizing and anti-Western force in more instances than just Lockerbie.
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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Jalil's testimony is good enough until evidence surfaces to refute his claim. Besides, Gaddafi was a destabilizing and anti-Western force in more instances than just Lockerbie.
    So you're ok with Americans being hoodwinked by the government, just as long as you're in favour of what they're doing, or expanding the operation beyond the UN resolution, if you like the purpose of the expansion. Or maybe you're just generally ok with US intrigue, conspiracy, deceit, disregard for national sovereignty, human rights, international law, respect for our ally's, everything , if you think it advances American interests, dispute the fact that they are rarely if ever going to be your interests. Unless you happen to own a large international corporation, happen to own a defense contacting corporation etc.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ukraine accuses Russia of Occupation calls for help from US/UK

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    This started with me pointing out that another poster is concerned about the death of civilians until its US drone strikes killing them (not terrorists) until you polluted it
    You were making a false moral equivalence, comparing non-targets accidentally killed in a legitimate operation to protests being fired upon by armed policemen (some of them using snipers).

    By the way, the protests were originally peaceful until the Ukrainian government used riot police to disperse them.
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